How much Fleming did each actor actual get to work with?

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  • edited April 2022 Posts: 4,044
    Kamal Khan cheating at backgammon. Spend the money quickly - was a Drax moment at Blades. Too vague?
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    It’s just a line. I’m talking about Bond involved in scenes taken from Fleming.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited April 2022 Posts: 3,152
    There was the infamous yarn that Craig read Casino Royale on the tube (subway) on the way to the screentest, but tore the cover off it first because he didn't want to be seen reading it and then binned it when he got off the train. :( I never knew the source of that and always hoped it was just Craighater propaganda! Still do, actually.
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    I wouldn't be bothered if it was true. If he hadn't fully secured the role at that point, it would have been in his best interest to keep his status a secret and not give any very obvious public cues. The producers want to be the ones who announce a new 007, not the actor. Of course nowadays he could just read the book on a kindle or his phone.
  • edited April 2022 Posts: 1,078
    Revelator wrote: »
    I wouldn't be bothered if it was true. If he hadn't fully secured the role at that point, it would have been in his best interest to keep his status a secret and not give any very obvious public cues.

    I like this story. I wonder what edition he was reading? (if it's true). Most likely the current paperback for that year (2005?).
    I wonder if he'd have imagined the next print run of the novel would have him on the cover...


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    And, in keeping with the topic, I found it very pleasing to see just how much of the original story they'd left in the film. Arguably the most Fleming-true James Bond film since OHMSS. Although he was the most recent Bond actor, he was far from the least well-served when it came to original Fleming plotlines (in CR), and references, which were in all his films.
    Brozza hardly had anything direct. Alex's mentioning his parents was a glimpse, but he didn't have direct plotlines or dialogue. Shame, really.
  • edited April 2022 Posts: 2,161
    I would say the central section of FYEO was the most Fleming true since OHMSS, but after that CR.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I would say the central section of FYEO was the most Fleming true since FYEO, but after that CR.

    Since OHMSS you mean, but I know what you mean.

    I haven't re-read FYEO for years, so I'm sure you're right there.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I would say the central section of FYEO was the most Fleming true since FYEO, but after that CR.

    There's a fair bit of the LALD novel in LTK too, though I take your point. FYEO lifts scenes and dialogue directly from 'Risico' beyond just merely being an influence on the film. The scenes with Kristatos at the casino, Countess Lisl meeting with Bond and Bond meeting Columbo and the raid on Kristatos's heroin refinery are all straight lifts from the short story.
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I'd be interested to know how much of Fleming the actors actually read.
    We know Dalton read all the novels. I have a feeling Craig read most, if not all the books. What about the others, didn't Connery said he read one and half books?

    I think Daniel Craig read all of the Fleming novels in preparation for the role in Casino Royale. Sean Connery said in an interview with the BBC during the filming of DAF in 1971 that he had only read three of the Bond novels, namely Thunderball (as it was originally going to be the first film), Live and Let Die and From Russia, with Love. When asked by the interviewer why he hadn't read the rest, Connery replied, "I don't really know."


    Thanks for sharing that mate, I'd never seen that before.
    It amazes me how a lot of us hold the novels up as the gospel, but the actors themselves all have their own take on it

    I think three is more than enough to get a handle on the character anyway to be fair, it’s not like he changes much throughout the books. I think I remember Brosnan saying something similar in an interview way back (when he was still Bond), that he’d read CR and didn’t feel the need to read any more? Might have imagined that though, just had a quick google and can’t find anything confirming it.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I still think it’s funny that Brosnan referred to DN as the first Bond novel in the commentary for DAD, and yet EON didn’t bother to snip it out either because they didn’t know or didn’t care.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited April 2022 Posts: 18,279
    I still think it’s funny that Brosnan referred to DN as the first Bond novel in the commentary for DAD, and yet EON didn’t bother to snip it out either because they didn’t know or didn’t care.

    Yes, Brosnan said in an interview that they made the films in the same order as the novels were released which shows how little he really knows or cares about the literary Bond. It's sad really but I suppose it's just a job to some people and not everyone is as obsessive as we Bond fans are about the origins of the character. We do tend to expect more from the lead Bond actor though whether it is fairly warranted or not.
  • edited April 2022 Posts: 2,161
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I would say the central section of FYEO was the most Fleming true since FYEO, but after that CR.

    There's a fair bit of the LALD novel in LTK too, though I take your point. FYEO lifts scenes and dialogue directly from 'Risico' beyond just merely being an influence on the film. The scenes with Kristatos at the casino, Countess Lisl meeting with Bond and Bond meeting Columbo and the raid on Kristatos's heroin refinery are all straight lifts from the short story.

    FYEO Io also gives us a bit from the novel Goldfinger where Bond uses the Identigraph/Identicast.
  • edited April 2022 Posts: 4,161
    Venutius wrote: »
    There was the infamous yarn that Craig read Casino Royale on the tube (subway) on the way to the screentest, but tore the cover off it first because he didn't want to be seen reading it and then binned it when he got off the train. :( I never knew the source of that and always hoped it was just Craighater propaganda! Still do, actually.

    Never heard that before. Probably false. That said, as much as I like Craig's performances I'm not sure if he's actually read much Fleming, neither is his Bond quite as indebted to Fleming's Bond as fans sometimes think. I know he did read Casino Royale, but I'm not sure beyond that. I suspect he's read about as much of them as Brosnan did (which I think was only a handful).

    Dalton certainly read all of the Fleming novels and seemed to take notes. Connery didn't seem to be much of a reader and only read three as was noted here. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Moore enjoyed a good book and had actually read all of them, but I could be wrong on that.
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    Venutius wrote: »
    There was the infamous yarn that Craig read Casino Royale on the tube (subway) on the way to the screentest, but tore the cover off it first because he didn't want to be seen reading it and then binned it when he got off the train. :( I never knew the source of that and always hoped it was just Craighater propaganda! Still do, actually.

    I remember reading that too. It was quoted directly from Craig himself as I recall, including something along the lines of `not thinking much to that'.

    It's why I have sensed he never valued the books that greatly, not the way Dalton did.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Sounds a bit made up.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I would say the central section of FYEO was the most Fleming true since FYEO, but after that CR.

    There's a fair bit of the LALD novel in LTK too, though I take your point. FYEO lifts scenes and dialogue directly from 'Risico' beyond just merely being an influence on the film. The scenes with Kristatos at the casino, Countess Lisl meeting with Bond and Bond meeting Columbo and the raid on Kristatos's heroin refinery are all straight lifts from the short story.

    FYEO Io also gives us a bit from the novel Goldfinger where Bond uses the Identigraph/Identicast.

    Yes, that's right and of course the keel-hauling sequence in FYEO was taken from the climax of the LALD novel with Kristatos even uttering some of the same lines as Mr Big did in that novel. LALD is probably one of the most directly adapted novels in the series with parts of it making up three different Bond films. There's still more from it that could be adapted in a future film too.
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    I would have liked them to stay with the pirate’s booty idea, which I think is really cool. I hope that still shows up someday.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I would have liked them to stay with the pirate’s booty idea, which I think is really cool. I hope that still shows up someday.

    Yes, and the gold coins hidden in the fish tanks so that they could be easily smuggled into the US was a nice idea too not utilised in LTK. By the time LALD came to be filmed drugs was the fashionable topic of the age though it's much more boring and commonplace than pirate gold being used to fund SMERSH agents and operations in the US!
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited April 2022 Posts: 3,789
    I just want to ask:

    Based on some trivia, General Grubozaboyschikov was turned into General Gogol in the films?

    To those who will answer, thank you.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited April 2022 Posts: 18,279
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    I just want to ask:

    Based on some trivia, General Grubozaboyschikov was turned into General Gogol in the films?

    To those who will answer, thank you.

    No, I've never heard that and they're very different characters. General G in the FRWL novel was the head of SMERSH and planned to have Bond killed. General Gogol was the head of the KGB and is an ally or on the side of the villains depending on the story but he always had a grudging respect for James Bond as a secret agent. I'd say they're wholly different characters and that General G didn't influence General Gogol.

    Interestingly, in the Christopher Wood novelisation James Bond, The Spy Who Loved Me General Nikitin from the FRWL novel had worked his way up to the head of Russian Intelligence though General Gogol appeared in the next film novelisation by Wood, James Bond and Moonraker. I'm guessing this had something to do with Wood working with changing scripts and writing the novelisation at the same time that the script was in a state of flux?
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