BOND 26. PTS ideas to introduce the new Bond.

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  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I would love something in line with TLD and Goldeneye. I have a feeling they'll want to go down the route of Casino as in a hard reset
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I would love something in line with TLD and Goldeneye. I have a feeling they'll want to go down the route of Casino as in a hard reset
    I agree, I would much rather a PTS that is the new Bond already on a mission rather than "earning" his status, whether as a Double 0 or just James Bond. I also think it helps establish the new actors character as capable and gives the audience the feeling that the character has a history of missions already. This could be where they bring in some unused Fleming too, whether from The Hildebrand Rarity or the bits of Felming Horowitz used involving Bond in the drivers seat of a race car.
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    Reading through Mark Salisburys ' Being Bond' book, in the section on SP, Sam Mendes claims the pts was originally going to be set at the Monaco Grand Prix, might be an idea for Bond 26?
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Reading through Mark Salisburys ' Being Bond' book, in the section on SP, Sam Mendes claims the pts was originally going to be set at the Monaco Grand Prix, might be an idea for Bond 26?

    That would be great!! The fleming tie plus the fact they have already considered it is a good sign. I dont think its enough of a story to carry a whole film but could definitely suit a PTS
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    I love how Horowitz adapted Murder on Wheels for the plot of Trigger Mortis so I would love to see something like that for a PTS.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I like the idea of a car chase for the PTS but prefer a foot chase. Get a solid running scene in before the actor gets too old a la Dalton and Craig.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    echo wrote: »
    I like the idea of a car chase for the PTS but prefer a foot chase. Get a solid running scene in before the actor gets too old a la Dalton and Craig.

    I agree. Good thinking. Use them while they're young and healthy.

    There was a Top Gear stunt ages ago where Clarkson drives a red Jaguar down a ski slope, i always thought it would be very Bondian and exciting for him to end up in a car on the slopes in the movies. Just put him in an Aston and send him over the edge with some bad guys on skis to take out or something.
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    I hope the PTS is a pulse pounding opener that announces 'this is the new Bond.'
  • edited May 2023 Posts: 1,993
    Although I have not been in favor of bringing Blofeld back, an interesting opener might be set in a casino at a card table.

    The stakes are high between two men.
    One loses to the other.
    The winner congratulates the loser and asks him name.
    The loser replies: Blofeld. Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
    The winner introduces himself: Bond. James Bond. Perhaps we'll meet again, Mr. Blofeld. Blofeld: Count on it, Mr. Bond.

    Then we don't see Blofeld again until later in the series.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited May 2023 Posts: 6,304
    I guess it depends whether they want to initially show Bond as a lover or a fighter. Interestingly, Connery, Lazenby, and Moore all get a "lover's" entrance but the subsequent Bonds are all action.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    echo wrote: »
    I guess it depends whether they want to initially show Bond as a lover or a fighter. Interestingly, Connery, Lazenby, and Moore all get a "lover's" entrance but the subsequent Bonds are all action.

    Yes, and what I've noticed that the lover's entrance all happened in the earlier years like 60's and 70's (Connery, Lazenby and Moore), their introduction were all in the earlier years.

    It's all changed in the 80's, it's the era where the action really reached high in terms of demands and popularity.

    I think when it comes to that lover's entrance, people may have think of it as a back to the old times, because mostly today since the 80's where all action oriented.

    So, it's evident that in too of how Bond really got in to the demands of evolution 😅.

    It's evident of how the series evolved through times.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    TLD, GE style, with a mix of CR as well.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Reading through Mark Salisburys ' Being Bond' book, in the section on SP, Sam Mendes claims the pts was originally going to be set at the Monaco Grand Prix, might be an idea for Bond 26?

    That would be lovely. I've always sort of imagined that it must be too expensive to stage though, as it would have surely happened by now! Either you'd have to shoot as much as you can of it on the weekend it actually happens (which is a tough ask) and/or you've got to recreate it, which means getting F1 teams/cars, loads of extras, even shutting the roads in Monaco's case. Nothing that's impossible for Bond I guess, but not cheap!
  • edited May 2023 Posts: 6,709
    They could do it they way they did the Palio in Siena.
    I too love that idea.
  • edited May 2023 Posts: 4,162
    I'd love to see a PTS set during something like the Monaco Grand Prix, but as was said I think having the actual event included is a bit much of an ask even to replicate.

    I'd also argue that it's better to have more creative control over the set design/location being depicted. As much as Spectre's PTS has its flaws the decision to create the 'Day of The Dead' parade gives that sequence something much more interesting/otherworldly (from what I understand the holiday itself is a real thing, but before the film no actual parade of this sort with the costumes featured existed in Mexico City).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2023 Posts: 16,413
    Yeah, I expect they could do it in a limited way; have a grandstand and a few bits for close-ups, much like the Ascot stuff in AVTAK, but much more and it's a logistics nightmare I would imagine. Not that the Day of the Dead wasn't an enormous and hugely impressive undertaking of course - and I agree, I think it worked better for the film as it was more unique to the movie. It's even the only aspect of the film which appeared on the main poster.

    Funnily enough Brad Pitt is shooting an F1 movie, and will actually be driving an F1 car on the track at the British Grand Prix this year! Everyone wants to be Cruise now :D
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Don't know if a quick PTS with aeroplane action, skydiving, scuba gear underwater action, a boat chase and then ends with a car chase, before the title song would be too much for a PTS. But it would help cement Bond 7 immediately.
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    @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ -- Airplane: Jet in GF. Skydiving: TSWLM. Scuba: TB. Boat chase: LALD. Car race: OHMSS.

    Those are just single examples that have been done so many times. I do agree, the new PTS needs to be a barn burner. How to do what's been done over and over and make it so fresh that audiences are cheering the new Bond before the titles roll?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Maybe another training session a la TLD. That really was a good introduction.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited May 2023 Posts: 2,044
    CrabKey wrote: »
    @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ -- Airplane: Jet in GF. Skydiving: TSWLM. Scuba: TB. Boat chase: LALD. Car race: OHMSS.

    Those are just single examples that have been done so many times. I do agree, the new PTS needs to be a barn burner. How to do what's been done over and over and make it so fresh that audiences are cheering the new Bond before the titles roll?

    Yeah, @CrabKey I think the rather distinctive thing about James Bond is, unlike other fictional, literary and cinematic characters, people can't get enough of seeing him do the same thing, albeit with a modern take on it. When fans go to see a James Bond film, they expect to see action scenes of the ilk mentioned above and something about that gets the blood pumping. People simply can't get enough of James Bond, even if he does the same thing over and over again. So I think we're in luck as James Bond fans :)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    echo wrote: »
    Maybe another training session a la TLD. That really was a good introduction.

    I agree. And in a sense, CR opened with a "training" mission or test too. I like that. Then again, NSNA started with the training as well. 😄
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think by now EON should know we want Bond 26 to feel like TLD & GE with hints of CR.
  • edited May 2023 Posts: 3,327
    I would open with a Fleming unused scene for the PTS - ideally from TSWLM.

    Viv Michel minding a motel, gets roughed up by a couple of nasty gangsters, and there is suddenly a knock outside as they are about to kill her. And here enters the new James Bond.

    To me this would be perfect. A down-to-earth, dark, gritty opening along the lines of FRWL and CR, but properly adapting unused source material from Fleming, and the way Bond enters this scene in the book is a real upbeat applause moment too.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Maybe another training session a la TLD. That really was a good introduction.

    I agree. And in a sense, CR opened with a "training" mission or test too. I like that. Then again, NSNA started with the training as well. 😄

    FRWL is a training sequence opening too. Just not for Bond.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    I would open with a Fleming unused scene for the PTS - ideally from TSWLM.

    Viv Michel minding a motel, gets roughed up by a couple of nasty gangsters, and there is suddenly a knock outside as they are about to kill her. And here enters the new James Bond.

    To me this would be perfect. A down-to-earth, dark, gritty opening along the lines of FRWL and CR, but properly adapting unused source material from Fleming, and the way Bond enters this scene in the book is a real upbeat applause moment too.

    Yes, it would have been great! Imagine Viv Michel opening the door, it's stormy, then there's this man hidden his face under a raincoat hood, then when he looked up, it's the new Bond actor.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Maybe another training session a la TLD. That really was a good introduction.

    I agree. And in a sense, CR opened with a "training" mission or test too. I like that. Then again, NSNA started with the training as well. 😄

    FRWL is a training sequence opening too. Just not for Bond.

    You are right, @LucknFate. Indeed. And I guess so was the PTS from TMWTGG. I like those two, by the way. There's something menacing about a villain training himself for a confrontation with Bond, directly or indirectly.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited May 2023 Posts: 3,152
    I would open with a Fleming unused scene for the PTS - ideally from TSWLM. Viv Michel minding a motel, gets roughed up by a couple of nasty gangsters, and there is suddenly a knock outside as they are about to kill her. And here enters the new James Bond. To me this would be perfect. A down-to-earth, dark, gritty opening along the lines of FRWL and CR, but properly adapting unused source material from Fleming, and the way Bond enters this scene in the book is a real upbeat applause moment too.
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Imagine Viv Michel opening the door, it's stormy, then there's this man hidden his face under a raincoat hood, then when he looked up, it's the new Bond actor.

    Agreed, 100% - this is my dream PTS for Bond 26. Bring it on!

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah it could certainly work: look at how powerful CR's opening was, and that was Bond sitting down and shooting a guy and having a fight with another one in a toilet.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    Gun barrel opens onto M's office.
    "Miss Moneypenny, send in Robo-Oh-Seven."
    The door opens. In steps CraigBond, who's now part cyborg.
    "Good to have you back, Bond. How do your new parts feel?"
    "You might say I'm quite..." turns to the camera and winks, "screwed up."

    OK, bad joking aside, I actually think they should just go the TLD/GE route and introduce the actor without reintroducing the character. In other words, just pretend like the previous era didn't happen and go back to a floating continuity where time doesn't have much meaning either way.
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    @slide_99 Agree. Another Bond begins wouldn't serve much purpose. Bring on the new guy as if he's always been Bond.
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