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I would like to see a modern Bond whose demon is sense of duty and patriotism.
He may speak some Political opinions through defending England, but that's mostly his snobbery, he's a bit of arrogant in the books (it's mostly obvious in You Only Live Twice, the book of course, when he's the defending the British interest and arguing with it to Tiger Tanaka), it's not patriotism, it's snobbery.
Heck, he even hates tea, which is surprising how tea was very associated to the culture of England.
He's a snob, but not a patriot.
And that snobbery thing was not something that's exposed or played in the films yet.
It's more in his sense of duty where his patriotism lies. It's less of a flag waving, banging on about British superiority thing, but more in an oath to protect his country. I wouldn't necessarily say he does his job purely out of morality (on the contrary he admits in the books that his profession involves a lot of 'dirty work' that even he questions) but there is definitely that thrill seeking side to him too. In terms of the films SF got this dynamic down quite well, with Bond's sense of duty being one the fundamental traits to separate him from Silva.
(Also, not going to lie, I've just noticed this is a thread about PTS ideas, haha).
That's exactly what I'd love. Those three are probably my top 3 PTS's. Peak Bond
Good point. Like Tracy in the old continuity. Not every viewer knew what Felix referenced to in LTK, yet it was there.
Clichés become clichés because they work. Now there are ways to give some an original twists, while ditching others, but personal stakes are an integral part of drama and of pretty much every franchise now.
Beside, senses of duty and patriotism don't happen or live in a vacuum: they will have their toll on personal life and will influence a character's behaviour.
It's a shame he didn't make it a bit more explicit:
"He was married once. His wife was murdered on their wedding day - good thing that's not going to happen to us!"
Man, that's too harsh 😅.
I'm already glad with what we've got.
In finding a new direction, patriotism and duty could be Bond's thing in the next series, rather than a continuation of Craig's revenge and betrayal motivations. Not a thing wrong with love of country. It's okay to love the UK despite its history and flaws.
I liked Craig's take on Bond, but I am ready for a Bond without the same baggage Craig brought to the character.
My hope is Bond 26 will start with a rollicking PTS that introduces a new and energetic Bond that will have audiences cheering before the opening credits roll.
This! Agreed!
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, but to me it's just not very Bond. There's a passage in one of the Christopher Wood novels, which attempt to ape Fleming's style but get it wrong, where Bond is looking out of the window at M's office at the 'England he loved', and it just feels totally wrong for Bond. There's aspects of Bond's character I don't mind shifting over time, but changing that would make him feel less like the 007 we know, to me.
Bond is a guy who works for his country but spends as little time in it as he possibly can. NTTD having him retire to Jamaica felt entirely right for him.
I'm not sure you've got Craig's Bond right either. His Bond was motivated mostly by duty: he specifically says so on more than one occasion. He is motivated to return to MI6 in Skyfall and NTTD by nothing else but his duty; and even in QoS M gets it wrong and assumes he's acting out of revenge, whereas by the end of the film it's made very clear that it was actually his sense of duty to his job and loyalty to her motivating him and the people around him had misjudged him.
In spite of the bureaucrats and other challenges.
What happens in that?
The comics? It's Bond disguised in a Dinner meeting, I think, it would've been interesting, but there's nothing much to it, really, it did remind me of OHMSS Piz Gloria dinner.
I think I've got the great PTS, maybe we can put it at the same style as NTTD or TSWLM, a two parter scenes.
Start it at first at introducing the villain a la LALD or TMWTGG, building the potential threat, then cut to a different, separate scene of introducing the new Bond actor (similar to the same style of TLD).
I don't think it would be that long for a PTS, you have both the Bond villain and the Bond actor itself got introduced, different scenarios of course, separate scenes, but all happened in PTS.
For example, after the gunbarrel, it would open first at the villain doing his bad plans, a la the opening of LALD/TMWTGG, with building up the villain (of course, Bond wouldn't appear in this), maybe have the villain order some massacre that would've caught the attention of MI6, that's the scene 1.
Okay, let's proceed to scene 2, and this is now the introduction of the new Bond actor (maybe in the middle of doing a mission or in a training).
Two different scenes, yet both worked in featuring both the villain, the possible plot, and the Bond actor.
I still say Dalton is the closest, particularly in LTK. It helped massively that he was a thespian actor, physically resembled the book Bond, and also pressed hard in adapting the character from the Fleming books. No other actor expressed a strong desire to do this.
There's this...
https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/1944/the-closer-to-fleming-argument
I'm not sure if you're trying to be sarcastic, or whether you think that line would work?
Very lazy and cliched isn't it?
Wow, that's an old one. Interesting seeing stuff from this forum pre-SF too.
It's also more about how the actors played their Bond. Whereas you could probably have a thread which is a more general discussion about how Fleming-esque the different versions of their Bonds are and within the context of their films (so accounting for script, actor's performance, the films themselves etc.) Or perhaps a thread about Bond's patriotism might be an alternative given the discussion.
Yes of course, as you rightly spotted, I was just making a joke about how it’s perhaps a bit of a writing fail that they both had their wives murdered on their wedding day. It would indeed have been a bit harsh :D
The funny thing is that even though we never got a proper follow-up to OHMSS in DAF, the producers routinely have tried to give us a version of that follow-up (FYEO, LTK, arguably QoS, NTTD).
And yet, as fans, we're never truly happy with their efforts.
Perhaps they wanted to avoid any reminder of GL. But what a sorry effort. It has never felt appropriately dealt with. Too bad, because OHMSS remains one of the best films in the entire series. The references in subsequent films always feel half-hearted. A missed opportunity.
I think that can work for a second or third film, but I'd like to see a riotous opener that is almost a mini adventure in itself. Doesn't even need to tie in with the rest of the film.
It simply announces this is the new Bond and he's all business.
I actually thought of having the PTS introduce Bond ala Golfinger in the shadows, not showing his face.
Later on, we have a proper introduction to Bond in a casino scene ala Dr. No.