BOND 26. PTS ideas to introduce the new Bond.

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  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Got me
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    "I'm confused. Didn't James Bond die in the previous film?"
    "Yes, but not the same Bond."
    "You mean there are other Bonds?"
    "No, just other Bonds played by different actors."
    "So, this is the same James Bond. Does that mean he'll eventually be blown up?"
    "Not necessarily. It's the same Bond, but in a different timeline."
    "So, if this Bond doesn't get blown up, he really wouldn't be the same Bond.?
    "The same, but in a different timeline."
    "In NTTD, the music recalled another Bond in another timeline."
    "You're being too literal. The song fit the circumstance."
    "But wasn't it intended to remind us of that previous film?"
    "You're overthinking this. Whenever a new actor takes the role, forget the past films. Whatever Bond did or who he met before isn't important."
    "But what if a supporting actor continues their role with a new Bond?"
    "Same actor playing the same role with a new Bond in a new timeline."
    "So they're not the same character."
    "They are, but in a new timeline. So their character has no memory of previous events with a previous actor."
    "So when people talk about continuity in Bond films...."
    "Stop trying to make sense of any of this. The best way to enjoy a Bond film is in the moment."




  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Inventive, massive scuba gear/underwater action scene. Bond only reveals his face after the action, then it leads to the title song/title sequence.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    However the next Bond is introduced, some viewers will be confused. Some won't know. Some won't care. And there will be those who will argue that there are different timelines and different Bonds and that you can't connect the dots between each series. But the specter of Bond being blown to bits in the previous film will hang over the next.

    We see a shadowy man sitting in an office, he is handed a confidential file. The camera turns to the person who handed it to him, it's M, who says:
    "From this moment onwards Mr. Roberts, wheter you like it or not, your name is Bond and only Bond... James Bond. Oh, and by the way... please, last longer than your predecessor..."
    "Bond" nods at him and gets up, leaving the office and closing the door behind him. Cue the credits.
    THE NAME OF THE CODE

    I do think this place would erupt if they did anything like that. I would too to be honest

    Are you serious? I can not do this type of discussion again. Bond is not a code name. It's an interpretation of a character each film. Like Sherlock Holmes or Harry Potter or Macbeth or whatever other stage production you want to argue. But it's not, never has been, never will be a code name. 007 is the coded reference. We've seen official records etc. in various films, and Ian Fleming never wrote nor intended what you wish. It's not even a fun idea. It's to explain why Bond looks different to people who can't use their imagination.

    You would retroactively nullify Skyfall and No Time To Die and probably Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. It's an annoying proposal and makes more mess than sense.

    Not really. It would be a different timeline.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    First seen are Aiden Turner, Tom Hardy, Aaron Taylor-Johnson, Henry Cavill.

    Only one survives the sequence leading into the main titles.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I wouldn't survive that sequence. ;)
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Okay, plus one relatively unknown actor ideal to align with the Bond character past and no less positioned to take on the future of the franchise.

    No promises on surviving, though.
  • SimonSimon Keeping The British End Up...
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    However the next Bond is introduced, some viewers will be confused. Some won't know. Some won't care. And there will be those who will argue that there are different timelines and different Bonds and that you can't connect the dots between each series. But the specter of Bond being blown to bits in the previous film will hang over the next.

    We see a shadowy man sitting in an office, he is handed a confidential file. The camera turns to the person who handed it to him, it's M, who says:
    "From this moment onwards Mr. Roberts, wheter you like it or not, your name is Bond and only Bond... James Bond. Oh, and by the way... please, last longer than your predecessor..."
    "Bond" nods at him and gets up, leaving the office and closing the door behind him. Cue the credits.
    THE NAME OF THE CODE

    Any reference to, justification of, or explanation of NTTD's ending in the next film would pretty much show a complete lack of faith in B26 in general. If B26 is any good at all, then people at worst will have 20 seconds of "Huh, didnt he die?" and then get roped into the film they have paid good money for knowing it has James Bond in it anyway. If after 2+ hours of B26 people are still thinking about how Bond could be there, it'll be a fairly damning indictment of how bad the film is, which is a far bigger problem than NTTD's ending scenes.
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    Simon wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    However the next Bond is introduced, some viewers will be confused. Some won't know. Some won't care. And there will be those who will argue that there are different timelines and different Bonds and that you can't connect the dots between each series. But the specter of Bond being blown to bits in the previous film will hang over the next.

    We see a shadowy man sitting in an office, he is handed a confidential file. The camera turns to the person who handed it to him, it's M, who says:
    "From this moment onwards Mr. Roberts, wheter you like it or not, your name is Bond and only Bond... James Bond. Oh, and by the way... please, last longer than your predecessor..."
    "Bond" nods at him and gets up, leaving the office and closing the door behind him. Cue the credits.
    THE NAME OF THE CODE

    Any reference to, justification of, or explanation of NTTD's ending in the next film would pretty much show a complete lack of faith in B26 in general. If B26 is any good at all, then people at worst will have 20 seconds of "Huh, didnt he die?" and then get roped into the film they have paid good money for knowing it has James Bond in it anyway. If after 2+ hours of B26 people are still thinking about how Bond could be there, it'll be a fairly damning indictment of how bad the film is, which is a far bigger problem than NTTD's ending scenes.

    We don't need any reference to NTTD. God help us if they try.
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    I don’t think Bond’s death in NTTD will make any difference to Bond 26, but I agree, I don’t think it should be referenced either.

    Generally the goal for every new Bond is to make the audience forget about the previous one - to make them truly see the new actor as James Bond. It’s been the case with every Bond since Roger Moore. They don’t want a repeat of Lazenby’s PTS with its fourth wall breaking and Connery-esque introduction. It doesn’t do the new actor any favours.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I don’t think Bond’s death in NTTD will make any difference to Bond 26, but I agree, I don’t think it should be referenced either.

    Generally the goal for every new Bond is to make the audience forget about the previous one - to make them truly see the new actor as James Bond. It’s been the case with every Bond since Roger Moore. They don’t want a repeat of Lazenby’s PTS with its fourth wall breaking and Connery-esque introduction. It doesn’t do the new actor any favours.

    Yeah I don't think there's any chance of it. Not least the gap between films will make it more unlikely: frankly most of the audience will probably have forgotten he died. Fans think it's a big thing, but for most people it isn't. Where are all of those supposedly confused people going on about Wolverine having died in the last film? And he's even played by the same actor in the new film (although that one will be slightly different as you can bet the new film will make jokey references to the death).
    Maybe the marketing or title might be able to address Bond's resurrection in a very sly way, but not the film itself.
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    It's not possible to predict that most of the audience will have forgotten Bond died in the previous film, but I agree his death will not keep audiences away. The test will be if Bond will be immune to underperforming as several recent films have.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I think this delay is in part to help audiences forget Bond's death and Daniel's run as Bond as a whole, to make it easier for the new Bond and the new direction. Same thing they did after Pierce.

    I'd love a PTS in a place the series hasn't been to, Canada, South Africa or somewhere new.
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    If there are people grieving over Bond's death and need time to get Craig out of their systems, I am not one of them. I was over Craig the second Bond was incinerated. He was a good Bond. Far better than RM and PB. But he was just another actor playing a well-known role. Bonds come and go. Is any audience member really saying, "I can't see Bond 26, it's too soon." I have no idea what EON is doing or why, but I certainly hope it's not because of a lingering affection for Craig.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    For those of us who delve into the other mediums, technically we've already had new Bond iterations since NTTD. New Bond in Cypher; new Bond in the Higson novel. They act as a sort of buffer between films, and particularly the shock of Bond dying. Think about all the versions of Bond back to Fleming, the McLusky newspaper strips etc., through til now, and there will be more before we reach B26 - e.g. Project 007 coming up.

    All of what came before made me realize that Bond dying in one adventure wasn't such a big deal after all. I would've expected that death to first be seen in a comic, but there you go. And, with respect to Craig who was a very good Bond, his version of Bond isn't the 'be-all and end-all'. There's so much more Bond already out there and more to come.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    **Introduction of the New James Bond in the Pre-Title Sequence**

    **Scene: An International Heist**

    **Setting:** The camera sweeps over a bustling European city. It's early evening, and the streets are alive with people and vibrant lights. Suddenly, the scene cuts to an elaborate museum hosting a high-profile gala. Inside, dignitaries and socialites mingle, but the camera focuses on a particular exhibit – a priceless, heavily guarded artifact.

    **Heist Begins:** The lights in the museum flicker and go out. The security systems glitch, and chaos ensues. In the darkness, shadowy figures move swiftly and efficiently, bypassing security measures and closing in on the artifact. A masked figure steps forward to claim the prize, but before they can, the lights flicker back on.

    **Enter Bond:** Standing in front of the artifact, with an air of calm confidence, is the new James Bond. He’s impeccably dressed, a subtle yet significant departure from Daniel Craig's rugged style, perhaps reflecting a more classic or suave interpretation. The intruders pause, sizing him up, and a tense standoff ensues.

    **Action Unfolds:** Bond's eyes lock with the leader of the heist. There’s a beat, then the room erupts into action. Bond moves with precision and agility, engaging the intruders in a series of intense, close-quarters combat scenes. His style is distinct – efficient, with a mix of sophisticated martial arts and quick thinking, highlighting both his physical prowess and intelligence.

    **Signature Moments:** During the fight, Bond showcases his quick wit and cool demeanor, delivering sharp one-liners and demonstrating a few innovative gadgets. The fight choreography is dynamic, blending traditional hand-to-hand combat with moments that showcase his unique approach.

    **Unmasking the Leader:** As the dust settles, Bond manages to disarm and unmask the leader of the heist, revealing a known criminal mastermind, setting up a larger narrative for the film. With a sly smile, Bond casually adjusts his cufflinks, a nod to the classic Bond mannerisms.

    **Final Touch:** As sirens wail in the distance, Bond surveys the room, ensuring the artifact is secure. He picks up a glass of champagne from a nearby tray, takes a sip, and with a confident, almost playful grin, turns to the camera.

    **Bond's Introduction Line:** “I hope I didn’t spoil the party.” He then smoothly exits, leaving behind a room full of astonished guests and subdued criminals.

    **Transition to Title Sequence:** As Bond walks away, the camera pans up to the night sky, where the iconic gun barrel sequence begins, seamlessly transitioning into the opening credits.

    This introduction balances action, character development, and homage to the Bond legacy, setting the stage for a new era while maintaining the essence of what makes James Bond an enduring icon.

    Courtesy of Chat GPT! LOL! :)

    What do you think? The right amount of humour and action?
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    Might not be the best way to introduce the new Bond after NTTD, but I always thought getting Bond out of a coffin to infiltrate a villain's funeral could be cool. There's a similar scene in Jo Nesbo's Blood on Snow and it works beautifully.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Might not be the best way to introduce the new Bond after NTTD, but I always thought getting Bond out of a coffin to infiltrate a villain's funeral could be cool. There's a similar scene in Jo Nesbo's Blood on Snow and it works beautifully.

    That would be a pretty fun little meta wink to the audience, I like it :)
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Yeah, I would be surprised if that thought of Bond 7 getting out of a coffin hasn't crossed EON's mind as a way of introducing him, though.
  • edited July 9 Posts: 15,016
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Might not be the best way to introduce the new Bond after NTTD, but I always thought getting Bond out of a coffin to infiltrate a villain's funeral could be cool. There's a similar scene in Jo Nesbo's Blood on Snow and it works beautifully.

    That would be a pretty fun little meta wink to the audience, I like it :)

    Maybe too on the nose. And possibly too comedic. In Blood on Snow it was dark and sinister in context.

    So anyway, my idea, for what it's worth: before the pts Bond has switched with the corpse of a man he killed before and the criminal group are having a funeral. Follows a low key and claustrophobic action scene.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I dreamt about this last night. Let's start with an opening 'crawl':

    War! The free world is crumbling
    under attacks by the ruthless
    Crime Lord, Blofeld.
    There are heroes on both sides.
    Evil is everywhere.

    In a stunning move, the
    fiendish mission leader, Number 2,
    has swept into the
    British capital and kidnapped
    Sir Miles Messervy, leader of
    Secret Intelligence Department MI6.

    As the Crime Syndicate's Team
    attempts to flee the besieged
    capital with their valuable
    hostage, one man leads a
    desperate mission to rescue the
    captive Sir Miles....


    And then we dive down through the clouds above Britain, showing an AM DB5 working its way through attacks from enemy vehicles, only to enter a big airplane about to take off... (There were laser swords in my dream as well.)
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    In a ceremony with little fanfare, we see a new face promoted to 007 status. At last, this is our new 007. Not quite. Only for as long as it takes for an assassin to take him out. The guy who takes his place and his number will be our new 007. And his name is......
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Could be quite fun if Bond has to kill the previous 007.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Could be quite fun if Bond has to kill the previous 007.

    Also an interesting angle.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Could be quite fun if Bond has to kill the previous 007.

    Also an interesting angle.

    Oh. Who to cast in a role like that.

  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Could be quite fun if Bond has to kill the previous 007.

    Also an interesting angle.

    Oh. Who to cast in a role like that.
    That feels like an idea for a third Dalton movie!
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    They should isolate this rogue 007 on an anonymous island and send a barrage $800 million in ballistic missiles at him... oh wait
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    meshypushy wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Could be quite fun if Bond has to kill the previous 007.

    Also an interesting angle.

    Oh. Who to cast in a role like that.
    That feels like an idea for a third Dalton movie!

    +1
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    M: What the hell happened to 007?
    B: He's been retired.
  • edited July 12 Posts: 3,805
    CrabKey wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Could be quite fun if Bond has to kill the previous 007.

    Also an interesting angle.

    I think it'd be a really cool twist for a villain if done right (ie. that he or possibly even she was the first 007). Might be a bit too much retreading of the Craig era for just now though.
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