The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • Posts: 12,526
    Agree. Not sure what else to add on this one? :-?
  • Posts: 7,653
    Arnold usually misses any subtlety. So why would this moment be anything else. IMHO

    So I AGREE
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Agree but I think this was probably on the instructions of Tamahori and EON who somehow thought they were creating an iconic moment in the series.

    How right they were but for all the wrong reasons.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    It's the main problem with Arnold. I agree DD, with the thesis.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I Agree somwhat with that for Die Another Day, but I disagree with that for Casino Royale because it was a scene introducing Solange and that was her theme.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 153</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Arnold scored Jinx' and Bond's rise from the sea (DAD - CR) with unnecessary drama.</b></font>

    Jinx's entrance music was a bit unnecessary and overblown, but then again, the whole scene was unnecessary. The Solange scene though, in my opinion, was beautifully scored.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Agree in part. Nix to Jinx but Solange's was fitting, I thought.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Agree. I WISH something worthy of the dramatic music did happen...LIKE A SHARK EATING JINX. :ar!
  • Posts: 7,653
    Agree. I WISH something worthy of the dramatic music did happen...LIKE A SHARK EATING JINX. :ar!

    John Williams cornered that piece of the market.

    O:-)
  • I just can't get beyond, forget the score in question, the bottom line is, they should never have duplicated the original scene with Andress from 62, the Berry repeat was something awful and if that wasn't bad enough, we get saturation coverage of Craig coming out of the ocean in another ill advised homage, I fear this won't be the last time we see this, it is truly a pity they just couldn't have left the original incident alone and not spoil it with quite awful repeats

    I'm going to agree with thesis, I can't quite remember the score involved, but it should of been 'no score at all', just nothing, visuals only, or a really loud Led Zeppelin soundtrack that pierced the eardrums so it would take away events on screen :-<
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'm going to agree with thesis, I can't quite remember the score involved, but it should of been 'no score at all', just nothing, visuals only, or a really loud Led Zeppelin soundtrack that pierced the eardrums so it would take away events on screen :-<

    For the Halle moment, it should have been Baby Got Back (Sir Mixalot)
    For the Daniel moment, it should have been the chorus of Eye Of The Tiger (Survivor)


    B-)
  • Or 'I can't stand up for falling down, by Elvis Costello (and the attractions), for the Berry entrance

    or, 'Dumbo, the flying elephant' for the Craig entrance

    Truly, they are repulsive acknowledgements, and once again, such a shame Andress was not left alone as what is truly an inconic scene of the James Bond franchise, and they go and spoil it all with what they did

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 154</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Bond 77 is the only rendition of the Bond Theme that is very era specific instead of timeless.</b></font>
  • Posts: 12,526
    Agree. But what a great piece of music! \:D/ I love it!!! :D
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Agreed. Good ole Marvin (RIP) was going for a classic BeeGee's feel of the 70's. While it is dated, it's still a good track to listen to.
  • edited September 2012 Posts: 7,653
    Agree, but it is such a great piece of actionmusic that it is still very enjoyable even if it probable would not work these days in a movie..
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited September 2012 Posts: 3,262
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 154</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Bond 77 is the only rendition of the Bond Theme that is very era specific instead of timeless.</b></font>

    Disagree. I think Bill Conti's versions of the Bond theme for his FYEO score are very disco-era specific as well.
  • edited September 2012 Posts: 3,494
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 154</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Bond 77 is the only rendition of the Bond Theme that is very era specific instead of timeless.</b></font>

    Disagree with thesis. PKK is in my opinion correct in saying FYEO is also disco based. It was dying out by then as a craze and fad. I hated disco and their scene, I'm a metal head \m/
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    Agree with thesis. PKK is in my opinion correct in saying FYEO is also disco based. It was dying out by then as a craze and fad. I hated disco and their scene, I'm a metal head \m/

    Well that said some of the themes are more mood themes than disco, and they are part of the musical identity of the movie. And I know that not any of the recent movies had such a thing, you know musical identity.

    As a metal head you must enjoy xXx since their ost was largly metalyesque. :D

  • What about the Bond theme from TLD? That one screams 80's
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited September 2012 Posts: 13,355
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 154</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Bond 77 is the only rendition of the Bond Theme that is very era specific instead of timeless.</b></font>

    Disagree. I think Bill Conti's versions of the Bond theme for his FYEO score are very disco-era specific as well.

    Those were my first thoughts too. So disagree as well.
  • edited September 2012 Posts: 1,310
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    Anyway....

    I disagree with this thesis, too, as Conti was also the first person who came to mind. I've also never really cared much for Bond 77 either....
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Disagree, as others have mentioned Conti also. Never cared for either score that much, despite some neat cues. Both have dated quite badly.
  • Posts: 1,856
    Agree, it sounds 70's through and through.

    @SJK91 that was genius.
  • SaintMark wrote:

    Disagree with thesis. PKK is in my opinion correct in saying FYEO is also disco based. It was dying out by then as a craze and fad. I hated disco and their scene, I'm a metal head \m/

    Well that said some of the themes are more mood themes than disco, and they are part of the musical identity of the movie. And I know that not any of the recent movies had such a thing, you know musical identity.

    As a metal head you must enjoy xXx since their ost was largly metalyesque. :D

    I read this thesis wrong so changed to disagree.

    I have some thoughts about the Spy and FYEO soundtracks. Past the homage to disco, not sure exactly where these 2 movies have an identity, nothing much I can see. Hamlisch goes from disco to classical to biblical and it's not that Bondian sounding to me in many areas. To me, Spy's music is more a cash in on current trends like quite a few parts of that film are. I suppose that if "disco cash-in" was an identity then it has one, but mostly I found the soundtrack had a lack of continuity and I think the award nominations were more in recognition of Hamlisch, his and the movie's popularity, and the title song than the rest of the soundtrack. It's average at best. Conti's "disco meets Rocky" had more of a strong identity as far as knowing what it wanted to be, but to me it's probably the most un-Bondian soundtrack after GE. One of the few downers in my favorite Moore film. It just didn't work.

    Since you brought up Arnold more or less, I disagree a bit. You could call TND a "homage to Barry" and that is an identity for me. QOS aside from the horrid title song I felt captured the surroundings and scenes very nicely and made me feel as if I were there, so I'd say it had an identity that related to the South American locales similarly to Kamen's TLK.

    I like XXX as a movie, and the Rammstein song fits so well with the energy it brings to the scene. The title song is even a little bit "secret agentish" in parts. But the bands in general of the rock side of that soundtrack aren't what I'd call metal. Bands like Godsmack, Disturbed, and especially Alter Bridge do better in capturing the style. For the true classic metal head, the 2000 "Rock Star" soundtrack is truly awesome, especially the original compositions. The parking lot scene in the beginning was so well done, it took everyone who I knew from those days right back and brought out a lot of wonderful memories.

    My weekend high school job when I didn't have an actual gig (I started playing in 21 and over clubs at 17, free beer, overage women, a teenager's dream!) was waiting tables at a local restaurant which had a disco bar. The clientele was well to do, money was really good (the constant "you need a haircut" jokes weren't), but let's say my Walkman got used every chance I got. So many polyester wearing phonies and coke whores. People would sit there all night and snort coke from their spoons when they weren't dancing and getting tanked, I was offered it many times while on the job to illustrate what kind of moral compass those people had. I was especially pissed off with the craze when KISS tried to cash in after Gene and Paul started dating the Sarkisian sisters.

    Dimi, sorry for going off the track.



  • edited September 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Metal>>>>Disco by a mile. Disco is crap most of the time.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    Metal>>>>Disco by a mile

    Isn't that like saying Sharon Stone >>>> Vivian Leigh? ;-) I think both are testaments to different cultural eras.
  • Metal>>>>Disco by a mile. Disco is crap most of the time.

    =D> :D See, there are times we do greatly agree!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited September 2012 Posts: 24,183
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 155</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The theory that James Bond is not a man but a code destroys our adoration for Fleming's spy.</b></font>
  • Posts: 774
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 155</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The theory that James Bond is not a man but a code destroys our adoration for Fleming's spy.</b></font>

    Absolutely, I hate that theory. You read Fleming's books and it's a single man; with flaws and interests. You care about him, you grow attached to him. Then to suggest that it's not the same man, just to fit the different interpretations of different actors? I hate it. Bond is Bond. Not a code name. But a man. That's how Fleming wrote it, that's how I like it.

    Trying to say Bond is a code name because there are different actors in the films is like getting caught up worrying about the timeline of the film series. Just pointless.
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