The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • Agreed with a capital A! Need not further elaborate.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Can't really say for certain...It tarnishes the original character, but for the films that back away from his literary persona, people don't seem to care.
  • Yes it's something that shouldn't be taken too seriously. It is after all just a fictional character in a series of movie releases, and Bond wasn't that way in every release I'm sure of it if I think back to the very beginning. Not A View to a Kill though!

    Thesis seems accurate
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    Oh dear, A View to a Kill really puts this thesis on the market! Let's see, we've got a solid count of at least four: the glacier submarine lady (Kimberly maybe?), May Day (UGH!), Pola Ivanova, and Stacey Sutton. And that was just on-screen! There might have been others thrown in there, who knows? What an operator!
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    00Beast wrote:
    Oh dear, A View to a Kill really puts this thesis on the market! Let's see, we've got a solid count of at least four: the glacier submarine lady (Kimberly maybe?), May Day (UGH!), Pola Ivanova, and Stacey Sutton. And that was just on-screen! There might have been others thrown in there, who knows? What an operator!
    Rog' definitely went out with a bang!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    True!

    What I find surprising is how monogamous Bond was in TSWLM. As far as we know, apart from the girl Hussein 'gives' him, there's only Anya. And she wanted to kill him! The cabin girl affair got interrupted. Was it Bonditus Interruptus though? I don't know. ;-)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Okay I'm a woman, and I am saying:
    Why yes, I agree with the thesis. ;) This is just escapist fun, gentlemen.

    Hmm, that's true about TSWLM, one of my very fav Bond films. But I think we can count the opening sequence cabin girl as a yes and let's have seconds or thirds kind of encounter. So maybe 3 total for Sir Rog then.
    And in FYEO there are only 2 right? I so enjoy that movie, too.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 160</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The fact that Bond isn't monogamous in most films is part of the fun and shouldn't be taken too seriously.</b></font>

    Disagree. In the novel FRWL things are explained very well. Bond had a relation with Tiffany Case, but it's his marriage to his job that gets in the way. they ought to use that more in the films. So it should be taken seriously.

  • DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 159</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>It made no sense for the DAF Felix to be still working for the CIA when helping Bond in the US.</b></font>

    Disagree with thesis. Leiter has helped Bond whenever MI6 or his home office has asked.
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 160</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The fact that Bond isn't monogamous in most films is part of the fun and shouldn't be taken too seriously.</b></font>

    Agree with thesis. Multiple shaggings are the norm, but when they have a solid female lead (Melina and Kara as examples) as his only love interest, it doesn't bother me.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 160</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The fact that Bond isn't monogamous in most films is part of the fun and shouldn't be taken too seriously.</b></font>

    Disagree. In the novel FRWL things are explained very well. Bond had a relation with Tiffany Case, but it's his marriage to his job that gets in the way. they ought to use that more in the films. So it should be taken seriously.

    I don't believe it's correct to infer from the novels to the movies because they are two different narrative worlds. But if you remember, in MR Bond claims to have 3 different relations with married women... is that a serious approach? It seems he just wants to have fun (and by fun I mean sex).
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    QBranch wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Oh dear, A View to a Kill really puts this thesis on the market! Let's see, we've got a solid count of at least four: the glacier submarine lady (Kimberly maybe?), May Day (UGH!), Pola Ivanova, and Stacey Sutton. And that was just on-screen! There might have been others thrown in there, who knows? What an operator!
    Rog' definitely went out with a bang!

    Hahahahahahahaha, oh there we go, slap the ol' knee, that was a good one!
  • QBranch wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Oh dear, A View to a Kill really puts this thesis on the market! Let's see, we've got a solid count of at least four: the glacier submarine lady (Kimberly maybe?), May Day (UGH!), Pola Ivanova, and Stacey Sutton. And that was just on-screen! There might have been others thrown in there, who knows? What an operator!
    Rog' definitely went out with a bang!

    Yes, he did. AVTAK was definitely a shag fest. Just not overly believable with Moore being twice Roberts' age. Thankfully he didn't have to shower with Jones. I know what I would have done stuck in a shower with her. Drop the soap and made sure to slip and knock myself out before she could eat me.

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    Bond has shagged the world round in 22 movies.

    Hurray for the escapist fantasy.

    PS I agree with the thesis.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Yes, he did. AVTAK was definitely a shag fest. Just not overly believable with Moore being twice Roberts' age. Thankfully he didn't have to shower with Jones. I know what I would have done stuck in a shower with her. Drop the soap and made sure to slip and knock myself out before she could eat me.


    Would anyone really risk bending over whilst sharing a shower with Grace Jones?

    She'd probably whip out a 15 inch strap on and then you'd be the one saying 'ooooh' like Rog does at the very end of AVTAK.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Yes, he did. AVTAK was definitely a shag fest. Just not overly believable with Moore being twice Roberts' age. Thankfully he didn't have to shower with Jones. I know what I would have done stuck in a shower with her. Drop the soap and made sure to slip and knock myself out before she could eat me.


    Would anyone really risk bending over whilst sharing a shower with Grace Jones?

    She'd probably whip out a 15 inch strap on and then you'd be the one saying 'ooooh' like Rog does at the very end of AVTAK.

    And you'd hear alot more of those Rog Wilhelm screams Ah...WHOOOOOOOOOA!!!
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Yes, and then the end credits say 'JAMES BOND WILL RETURN- WITH A LIMP'. 8-|
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    Yes, he did. AVTAK was definitely a shag fest. Just not overly believable with Moore being twice Roberts' age. Thankfully he didn't have to shower with Jones. I know what I would have done stuck in a shower with her. Drop the soap and made sure to slip and knock myself out before she could eat me.


    Would anyone really risk bending over whilst sharing a shower with Grace Jones?

    She'd probably whip out a 15 inch strap on and then you'd be the one saying 'ooooh' like Rog does at the very end of AVTAK.


    :)) I could see that happening and my plan would have been a standing up straight slip and fall. Hopefully she'd then seek another meal, after hopefully being kind enough to turn off the shower and call for emergency services.

    I think the "ooooooooh" was probably Rog realizing Grace had first eaten all his Viagra ;)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 161</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Carver's megalomania was a satirical comment on journalism in the 90s.</b></font>
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    0013 wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 160</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The fact that Bond isn't monogamous in most films is part of the fun and shouldn't be taken too seriously.</b></font>

    Disagree. In the novel FRWL things are explained very well. Bond had a relation with Tiffany Case, but it's his marriage to his job that gets in the way. they ought to use that more in the films. So it should be taken seriously.

    I don't believe it's correct to infer from the novels to the movies because they are two different narrative worlds. But if you remember, in MR Bond claims to have 3 different relations with married women... is that a serious approach? It seems he just wants to have fun (and by fun I mean sex).

    Well of course they're two different narrative worlds, but the films are based on the books, so it's only natural that traits of the main character are copied to the silver screen.
    Yes, having three affairs at the same time could be a very serious approach. Still officially single myself I can tell that having affairs is not just escapist fun, it's part of a serious way of living. With Bond it's only very natural to do so, because of the complications of his job. This is well laid out in OHMSS as well as CR (2006, of course). Yes, he wants to have fun, but the reasons why e doesn't go for the full relationship are serious as can be.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 161</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Carver's megalomania was a satirical comment on journalism in the 90s.</b></font>

    In a way I think it's true, it was a bit of an issue back then IRC. Agree.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Okay I'm a woman, and I am saying:
    Why yes, I agree with the thesis. ;) This is just escapist fun, gentlemen.

    God, it's delicious to hear this from a lady! Thank you, @4EverBonded, you've made my day. :-) I'm always joyed when a lady can roll with the fun of it. Too often are we, boys, persuaded into thinking that women universally loath the objectifying of women in the Bonds. You prove the PC-ists wrong. Can I take thy hand and kiss it, dear lady? ;-)

  • edited September 2012 Posts: 3,494
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 161</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Carver's megalomania was a satirical comment on journalism in the 90s.</b></font>

    Agree with thesis, although I think the premise goes back way farther than the 90's.

    4Ever is going to love your remarks, I just know it. She is a great Bond fan and they don't come any better than her. If only other women (excluding the ones here of course) thought the same way, although with Craig in the role it appears the female audience is growing and the series is making new fans of them.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    4Ever is going to love your remarks, I just know it. She is a great Bond fan and they don't come any better than her. If only other women (excluding the ones here of course) thought the same way, although with Craig in the role it appears the female audience is growing and the series is making new fans of them.

    She shines like a diamond in the realm of Bond fans.
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    I think some recent events say people like him are still out there, so true.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Well yeah, Carver's character was loosely based off of Ted Turner and Rupert Murdoch.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Kerim wrote:
    Well yeah, Carver's character was loosely based off of Ted Turner and Rupert Murdoch.

    Don't forget his all black Blofeld suit.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 161</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Carver's megalomania was a satirical comment on journalism in the 90s.</b></font>

    Agree. The charactor of Elliot Carver screams of Rupert Murdoch to me!
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    More than that, is even a big criticism over the dangers of global mass media.
    I even remember that TND was cited by the famous professor of political theory Fernando Vallespín in a Political Science Congress I attended as an example of the power of big comunication corporations as a "fourth power" of contemporary democracies.
    So, agree.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    Okay I'm a woman, and I am saying:
    Why yes, I agree with the thesis. ;) This is just escapist fun, gentlemen.

    God, it's delicious to hear this from a lady! Thank you, @4EverBonded, you've made my day. :-) I'm always joyed when a lady can roll with the fun of it. Too often are we, boys, persuaded into thinking that women universally loath the objectifying of women in the Bonds. You prove the PC-ists wrong. Can I take thy hand and kiss it, dear lady? ;-)

    Ah such a gentleman. Well, let's just say thou can buy me a drink some day, if ever the twain shall meet. :)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    This new thesis; I agree, and I do think it was more than about Murdoch; also really about mass media taking over our lives and becoming more and more corrupted and untrustworthy. With FB and Twitter (and more) rampant today, a filmmaker could have even more fun with that.
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