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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited October 2012 Posts: 13,978
    Haing seen DAF, I think this was true. Hell, they pretty much gave Connery a blank cheque just for him to say yes to returning.

    Thesis 178: Agreed.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Let me think about that

    I don't know, maybe all they could see beyond, was that they had offered Connery a then astronomical sum of money to return again, but it was after all, another Bond release, and after the success of OHMSS, were maybe hoping to keep on the right track. That said, the finished movie was abysmal for the most part, Connery was awful, too old and out of shape, it was a disaster for all involved

    I'm willing to agree with Thesis but also, you'd imagine a certain amount of time and effort would of been expected to have been put in regardless of who played Bond that year. In actual fact, that said, I'm going to disagree instead
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 179</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The AVTAK script would never have worked with Dalton as Bond.</b></font>
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Does the earth travel around the sun?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Does the earth travel around the sun?

    That merely depends on the point of view. ;))
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    Look at the fan poster thread and you'll see my answer. ;)
  • ThepastykidThepastykid
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    It didn't work with Moore as Bond and it wouldn't have worked with Dalton. It was a poor script
  • Signed_By_RogerMooreSigned_By_RogerMoore
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    AVTAK is a good Bond film.

    Change Stacey Sutton, make Timothy Dalton Bond (Roger Moore was fine in AVTAK just looked...odd" and remove Patrick McNee and you got a film that would be better than Goldfinger
  • marymossmarymoss
    Posts: 176
    I don't see why the film wouldn't have worked with Dalton so I disagree.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited October 2012 Posts: 16,351
    Agree but there would have to be some serious edits.

    Harder edge script.

    More thrilling PTS that has more plot elements as it's part of the main story, remove the surfing/beach boys stuff.

    Make Zorin more threatening and less hammy.

    get rid of mayday and make Patrick MacNee a mole working against Bond at first but he becomes good in the end and helps him foil Zorin's Plot.

    Make the American police officers realistic instead of typical stupid throwaway site gags.

    OH and Make Stacy more than eye candy and ear destruction.

    and we have the perfect

    "From A View to A Kill"
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited October 2012 Posts: 28,694
    On the plus side, we would at least see Dalton as Bond more than his stuntman.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    It wasn't a great script anyway but it would've been rewritten to fit Dalton, like TLD was.

    Not sure if that's an agree or disagree but there you go.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 179</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The AVTAK script would never have worked with Dalton as Bond.</b></font>

    Disagree. There is no reason why this would have been the case? It no doubt would have been tailored to Dalton's strengths.
  • ThepastykidThepastykid
    edited October 2012 Posts: 553
    So we are saying if the script was rewritten the film would have worked. Surely that means the AVTAK script as is would not have worked with Dalton
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    edited October 2012 Posts: 4,813
    ^ true but the fight scenes alone would have been many times better. That's why even the film as-is would have been improved just by throwing in Dalton
  • ThepastykidThepastykid
    edited October 2012 Posts: 553
    Can't disagree with that point, but in general we are still talking about a re-tool
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    Posts: 4,813
    Whoops, you know I mis-read the thesis. I took it as 'AVTAK would have been better with Dalton' when that's not exactly what was being asked. My mistake!
  • marymossmarymoss
    edited October 2012 Posts: 176
    I still don't see why it would have made a difference. Dalton is an actor. He should be able to work with any script. What was so objectionable about the script? Simply the one-liners? He's an actor, he should have still been able to work with them. Now whether or not you would have liked Dalton being in the movie as is a whole other story. But personally, I wouldn't have had a problem. It might have softened him up.

    Still disagree with the thesis.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,173
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 180</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>SF has smaller shoes to fill now than QOS had in 2008.</b></font>
  • Signed_By_RogerMooreSigned_By_RogerMoore
    Posts: 643
    Agree. QOS is the worst Bond film, the only way is up.
  • JohnBarryFanJohnBarryFan
    Posts: 1,405
    Agree. Foster and friends did such a dismal, horrendous editing job with QOS that anything close to CR will turn out to be a BIG improvement.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    Agree. QOS had CR to live up to. SF has QOS to live up to. Like @Signed_By_RogerMoore said, the only way is up.

    Even if SF wasn't getting all this acclaim, chances are it'd still be better than QOS.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    I'd go the other way. This time the pressure was on to prove Casino Royale wasn't a one off. The shoes are far bigger. Disagree.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Disagree. QoS was good, and CR perfection, and though they differ, each had great elements that signaled that the next film would need to continue to step it up. For Craig's era, the expectations have always been high, and that won't change.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    QoB was a poor movie even for 007 standards, so SF does not have to trouble itself about being better than the previous one. AGREE
  • 0iker00iker0
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Disagree. QoS was good, and CR perfection, and though they differ, each had great elements that signaled that the next film would need to continue to step it up. For Craig's era, the expectations have always been high, and that won't change.

    Completely agree with you mate!
  • sirseanisbondsirseanisbond
    Posts: 2,189
    I feel like, because QoS was such a let-down after the perfection of CR, SF has a lot riding on it, at least for me it does.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 180</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>SF has smaller shoes to fill now than QOS had in 2008.</b></font>

    Agree. From interviews i have seen with DC? He looks calmly confident in his manner, which reminded me of his appearance when talking about CR back in 2006.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 180</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>SF has smaller shoes to fill now than QOS had in 2008.</b></font>
    Disagree on many levels. Not only do I think QoS was actually quite a good film, allthough perhaps not 'easy' for regular moviegoers, but CR hasn't been forgotten. Above all, it's quite unlike Daniel Craig to go for an easy option. So even if the public thought SF has smaller shoes to fill, as long as the main star thinks it hasn't, it just hasn't.
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited October 2012 Posts: 19,339
    I think SF has smaller shoes to fill simply because Craig is now firmly established as Bond and has signed up for 2 more films,so the pressure is off,meaning they can go for it now and let loose which,although i havent seen it yet,i hear does apply to SF...
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