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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Disagree. Sean did it long after he didn't want to, and even at the end of his run people still wanted him back, acting rough towards anyone that replaced him. As for Dan, I would watch his Bond for eternity.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited December 2012 Posts: 13,356
    If the product put out is of a certain quality, the audience will lap it up. Going by that, there is no "maximum film" number. Age is the limiting factor, which should be the mid-fifties, at a rough guess.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
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    THESIS 189- Tough question. I enjoy the SF soundtrack and Newman's effort, and feel he does certain things better than Arnold. At the same time, Arnold's TND and QOS soundtracks I find to be excellent and so I don't think you can definitively say Arnold could not have done as well or better with parts of the SF soundtrack. I do think you would have heard the SF and Bond themes more prominently featured.

    THESIS 190 and 192     are basically the same question. I think the old Norman theme was excellent and fit just fine for me, a dramatic action scene such as this only benefited from stirring music.

    THESIS 191- QUANTUM definitely needs to be revisited, too much potential and too much left unresolved to just throw it away.

    THESIS 193- The series seems to benefit from a periodic changing of the actor and it most certainly did for me in 1987 and 2006 so I'll agree.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    193 - no, theoretically I think there's no limit. But as time passes, the actors get older and times change. So, in reality, yes. I would even put down that 5 is about the max. Moore went on too long, he was most definately too old. Only a 30 y/o actor, and films coming out once in two years, would probably max at 5 to 7.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
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    Thesis 192: You've got to be kidding. The John Barry music for the finale of OHMSS is one of the best elements of the movie. It's perfect in every way for that scene and really enhances the exciting feel.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    JBFan626 wrote:
    Thesis 192: You've got to be kidding. The John Barry music for the finale of OHMSS is one of the best elements of the movie. It's perfect in every way for that scene and really enhances the exciting feel.

    @JBFan626, Barry himself wasn't too pleased with this editing choice. Either they left the sequence unscored, or he would have scored extra material, possibly re-orchestrating the Bond Theme. He wasn't pleased with Hunt mixing that old DN recording in with Little Nellie's sequence either.

  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    I wonder how the OO7 Theme would have sounded in that scene....
    Maybe someone out there with better editing skills than me could make that happen!
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Thesis #193

    No I don't think that's so. If Bond is still plausible enough and capable, he may continue in the part for long as he can. Craig will be 46 or 47 for the next release, and still very able in what will be his fourth appearance, and you can guess it'll be another full house at theaters. As long as he's still able, and may well go into his 50's ?, audiences will come and pay their money to watch

    On the other hand, thesis does make sense in that suppose Connery was the same age as he started out in 1962, all the way through to the 1980s and kept playing Bond. I'm guessing people would soon get tired of seeing the same face year after year, and the same could go for Dalton from 1987 to the present day if it were possible. Not so easy to answer as I first thought, but I'm going with initial thoughts, and will disagree with latest thesis. But this could go either way depending on people's perspectives
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Thesis 193: Depends on if it is blatently obvious when the action scenes and stunt doubles are full on, and then it cuts back to a seriously ageing actor? Will have to agree i think?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 194</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>None of the Bond films' scripts, as written, could have worked in a different decade.</b></font>
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited January 2013 Posts: 12,837
    Disagree TND for example could still work now (well, apart from the phone, but I doubt the script said "clunky 90s mobile"), Skyfall could've easily worked last decade, etc.

    A few wouldn't work in another decade (like GE for example), but lots of them could easily be switched around.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    Agreed with thelivingroyale on TND

    And I could be wrong, but GoldenEye could have been a late 80's movie and felt very high tech, as opposed to a little high tech as a mid 90's movie. The same could be said for AVTAK: it could have been a late 70's movie rather than a mid 80's one

    So I will disagree with Thesis 194- some of them could have worked
  • VirageVirage
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Disagree TND for example could still work now (well, apart from the phone, but I doubt the script said "clunky 90s mobile"), Skyfall could've easily worked last decade, etc.

    A few wouldn't work in another decade (like GE for example), but lots of them could easily be switched around.
    Agreed, LTK would also still worked today.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Disagree. OHMSS' story is pretty timeless.
  • SuperheroSithSuperheroSith SE London
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    Disagree. LTK is like Die Hard 0.5.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Yep i would have to disagree too, there are examples as highlighted above where some films can work in other decades.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I do agree. Bondfilms have always used the most advanced tegnologies, sometimes over the edge but always close enough (discounting MR and DAD, they still don't work, and won't for another 50 years). But with the reliance on tech, they also are proper representatives of their times. In OHMSS nowdays they'd have used mobiles, a fast way to crack the safe, etc. etc.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I absolutely disagree. We can see that the 50 year old CR novel was made into a cracking film, showing that the plots of the novels and those of other films can be updated or carried to fit other eras.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2013 Posts: 13,356
    I can't add anything really. Moonraker as it stands would have gone down just as well (if not better) in 2002, I'd say.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 195</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Roger Deakins' cinematography could have helped QOS be a stronger film.</b></font>
  • TheBondFanTheBondFan
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    Disagree.

    The film had many problems. No matter how good the cinematography is, the editor can still ruin it. And it won't help the plot problems and writing.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited January 2013 Posts: 4,537
    Disagree. The cinematography is one of the best things from QOS.

    Roger Deakins style in some scene's of Skyfall remember me to DAD but then with a inprovement whyle other scene's i wish there ask Robert Elwit. With this in mind The Spy Who Loved style QOS sometimes remember too iam afraid those parts with Deakins it have mist the glamor it have now. Mabey Roger Deakins can have been intresting to have for the airport scene of Casino Royale or parts of Die Another Day.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 195</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Roger Deakins' cinematography could have helped QOS be a stronger film.</b></font>
    Disagree. If there's one strong point in QoS, it most certainly is the cinematography. It's one of the most beautifully shot Bonds. The problem lies with the choice of shakey-cam action (thistime adirector's choice).
  • SJK91SJK91
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    Disagree. Like it is being said, Quantum of Solace's cinematography is one of the best things about the film. The editor and Marc Forster did their best job to hide that, but the point still stands.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 195</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Roger Deakins' cinematography could have helped QOS be a stronger film.</b></font>

    Disagree. There was nothing wrong with it, just certain editing elements were the issue.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Disagree. I like the cinematography in QOS, it's not as good as SFs but there are some nice shots. That wasn't a problem at all.
  • toddmthatchertoddmthatcher
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    i'm watching all the Bond films in order after receiving the Bond 50 Blu Ray set. Here's my movie blog post entry on Man with the Golden Gun, which is my latest post. Evaluations of the other Bond films can also be found on the site.

    http://toddmthatcher.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-007-files-the-man-with-the-golden-gun/
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited January 2013 Posts: 41,011
    Disagree. Like others have said, the cinematography in QoS isn't as great as Deakins' cinematography in SF, but it was one of the better parts of QoS.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
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    RogueAgent wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 195</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Roger Deakins' cinematography could have helped QOS be a stronger film.</b></font>

    Disagree. There was nothing wrong with it, just certain editing elements were the issue.

    Disagree with premise and agree that the editing (and incomplete script) were the real issues.
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 195</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Roger Deakins' cinematography could have helped QOS be a stronger film.</b></font>

    No, the cinematography was one of the best things with this brilliant piece of film!
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