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So whether you like him or not (personally I think he was a good Bond), you have to at least give him credit for being a popular Bond (I remember him being called the best since Connery while he still had the part), because that helped keep the series alive.
<font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 223</b></font>
<font color=blue size=7><b>Bond's wedding was contradictory to his womanising at the Piz Gloria.</b></font>
Anyway, I think that at least by the time leading up to the wedding-especially when he was going to rescue Tracy at Piz Gloria-Bond was in love and devoted, so the wedding doesn't come off as that contradictory. So, I guess I kinda disagree.
So how do you feel about him then being unfaithful at Piz Gloria?
Agree: But it's what Bond does! He uses every aspect of his being to accomplish the assignment? That's why he has such a conflicted life! ~X(
Exactly; just like guys are. Humans are complex beings, no? ;)
With Blofeld taken out Bonds job is done and he can perhaps become a new person.
Bonds wedding is actually a growth in the character of James Bond and the next two novels by Fleming see how much he suffers his loss of Tracy. The end of TMWTGG shows how the Bond from before the wedding is somewhat returned as he ponders on his status a widower and his future.
This aspect of the film is OHMSS's biggest story flaw, and might be the most jarring thing about this otherwise great Bond film. Going off and shagging a handful of Piz Gloria girls only to have Tracy marry Bond not 30 minutes after (movie time) is a bit off to me.
I also agree that it is partially Lazenby's fault in the way he sells it. The kid in the candy store line mentioned above is quite accurate.
This and the fact that Blofeld doesn't recognize Bond right away baffle me the most, though they aren't the only inconsistencies in the film; just the ones that are the most puzzling of the lot.
At the same time, it still is puzzling.
I think that's because as it has been said before, Bond and Tracy's relationship really is the heart of the film and their love for each other that develops over time center stage in the drama. Therefore, if Bond just goes off and sleeps with tons of other women (seemingly getting a real kick out of it as he does it) when he is supposed to be devoted to Tracy, then that great love story between them loses some of its impact.
Precisely, @4EverBonded. ;-) I do like how Fleming portrays Tracy though. A tormented soul, easily balanced by a man like Bond. One must look at it in a positive manner. All it takes to put this talented girl back on track is the right man. Bond is that man. I love how Draco spells it out. Make love to her enough to where she will love you and you will work as some kind of therapy. ;-) Some may argue it's a sexist way of seeing things: Bond's magic penis solves all problems in the world, including the most complex inner torments of a girl who's clearly been piling up personal issues lately. On the other hand, I think Fleming gave all of us a sliver of hope. If ever things go hopelessly bad, there's bound to be some significant other who can save the day. (And if sex is part of the solution, well, you don't hear me complai... uh ... woops. Nevermind. :P)
Of course, in a way, it works the other way around too. Bond needs to find solace in the arms of all those willing women - as Trevelyan put it - because like Tracy, he isn't exactly the epitome of psychological stability himself. ;-)
This is why I disagree with the thesis. Bond makes it clear to Marc-Ange that he's not the man for Tracy. Even in the Rolls, when Tracy talks to her father, it becomes clear that they may be fond of eachother, but there just isn't a steady relationship yet. So Bond's escapades on the mountain aren't even cheating. Beeing fond of a girl isn't enough to suddenly be all committed to her.
It's only when she saves him at the icerink that he completely falls in love with her and he makes the decision they should be together, and in the ways of the times proposes to her immediately (proclaiming they won't sleep together till that day has come, and breaking that promise in seconds).
Ooh. Wish I'd have thought about this as a question on the originals thread. Great question @Dimi.
I'm afraid I'd have to agree more than disagree. As valid as the reasoning is by those who disagree, the thing that makes me agree is that before Bond went off to Piz Gloria, Bond and Tracy were seen going into a jeweler, seemingly checking out a pair of his and hers wedding bands. Those don't seem to be the actions of a man not seriously considering a lifetime commitment. Did he do it because she suggested it, just to make her happy? It's never explained, which makes Tracy's statement to the effect that she's not sure he feels the same as she does the best reason one could disagree. I have to admit though, Ruby was all he really needed in the way of info, and he was making a pig out of himself all things considered.
I'm a happily (within reason) married man but if Ruby, Nancy and that little Chinese piece were throwing themselves at me I'm not sure I could resist.
And Bond isn't even married at this point so why shouldn't he play he field?
Perhaps he's thinking of marrying Tracy anyway so just treats himself to a binge by way of a stag do?
That last part makes some sense. Lots of guys do this before they get married. For me though, what's the point of getting married if you didn't get all of this out of your system first and realize this person was all you wanted and needed? I had women throw themselves at me while I was engaged and after I was married, but I can honestly say that it wasn't hard to say no. Used it for a bit of fantasy later on, keep things fresh. My wife, rest her soul, would have otherwise had my balls in a sling and my guts for garters X_X
Perfectly said.
<font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 224</b></font>
<font color=blue size=7><b>Audiences would have no trouble acceptling a less PC Bond (smoking, women slapping...) from Daniel Craig.</b></font>
Interesting statement. I think I disagree. A rougher Bond doesn't immediately make all vices a go. Tbh I find DC's Bond quite the gentileman, for someone in his position. I don't think it would fit his Bond-character at all. Unless, of course, it was to gain information. For Bond the mission always comes first.
Slapping women is another matter entirely. Can you really imagine something like this:
Smoking would be fine. A few groups would try to make a big deal out of it but I doubt the masses at large would care and there's literally no reason for Bond to have stopped in the first place.
Smoking? Maybe a cigar once in a while ... but really, if Daniel Craig prefers not to, that is fine with me. It doesn't take away from his Bond at all. No big deal, smoke or not smoke, for me
Agree generally! I think the one element here that's a very fine line is the level of violence he would use on a female assailant? I would sooner see him be a cold bloodied killer like we saw when Elektra killed than him beating or torturing a woman!