The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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    Isn't this a given? It's not like Fiona or Brandt or Naomi massacred an entire room of people with an AK.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Right there, when Femke has no trouble convincing me that her character enjoys blowing holes in a room full of people, I see the great talent in her. Somehow I failed to spot it in her X-Men performances though but then, I'm not sure the Phoenix angle was played out well enough in the film version.

    But I digress. I too think that Onatopp is a vixen from Hell. She's a nutter and a ruthless killer. Even in the face of death ("He's going to derail us.") her oestrogen levels seem to rise sky high. She's a thrill seeker if anything. And those screams!

    I still think of GE as one of the best written and directed Bonds. They could have so easily messed up this character, rendering her neither convincing nor enjoyable to watch. But how lucky we are that they weren't in DAD mode just yet. ;-)
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    Not the best henchwoman granted, but perhaps the most ruthless or cold hearted. Still a silly way we saw her exit the franchise, but have to agree with the most recent thesis
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    Yes, I think so, too.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    RE: THESIS 234 - Famke's Xenia is the most vicious henchwoman of the Bond series so far.

    Of course. As far as vicious henchwomen go, she's onatopp. Killing gives her sexual gratification.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 234</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Femke's Xenia is the most vicious henchwoman of the Bond series so far.</b></font>

    Agree, you can see clearly that she seriously enjoys and gets off in what she does for a living! :))
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 235</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>There's no good story related reason why Scaramanga's golden gun couldn't have been a normal golden gun instead of an assembly of golden accessories.</b></font>
  • I guess so. But it sure was cool watching him assemble the gun.
  • DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 235</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>There's no good story related reason why Scaramanga's golden gun couldn't have been a normal golden gun instead of an assembly of golden accessories.</b></font>

    Disagree with thesis. Can't think of a better way of carrying a concealed weapon that assembles and disassembles with such ease, especially in places where you might be searched. It seems perfect for a international assassin who wishes to remain anonymous, right down to the odd caliber. It fits Scaramanga and thus the storyline.

  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    I disagree as well. Scaramanga is a bit eccentric is he not? I mean the guy has his own fun house where he likes to practice killing people for crying out loud. So it seems to fit the character quite well to have this most peculiar gun.
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    Disagree. I'm no TMWTGG fan by any means but I always found the gun itself to be the best part of the movie. It was extremely cool to see him put the gun together from things such as a lighter and pen. Additional to that is the ease of smuggling the gun around the world, necessary for a man of his profession.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 235</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>There's no good story related reason why Scaramanga's golden gun couldn't have been a normal golden gun instead of an assembly of golden accessories.</b></font>

    I would disagree actually. A gun that disassembles is a sure fire way to smuggle it through customs more than anything else. Especially when those things are everyday items to a lot of people.
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    If you watch 'In the line of fire', John Malkovich makes a neat firearm out of bits and pieces of everyday objects, and then attempts to kill the president. Of course, that wasn't Christopher Lee's objective, but it's the same priniciple. The two things are very much alike. Will also disagree with thesis, as it's simply more fun to put together a weapon from various bits and pieces than just a standard firearm
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 236</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>With an incomplete script, QOS still offers better acting performances than DAD, with a complete script.</b></font>
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 236</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>With an incomplete script, QOS still offers better acting performances than DAD, with a complete script.</b></font>

    100% Agree.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 236</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>With an incomplete script, QOS still offers better acting performances than DAD, with a complete script.</b></font>

    Agree. Certain elements in terms of CGI......etc did more harm than good, where as QOS had a more grittier feeling to it although certain editing styles of it I did not like.
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    Well that's just a given. You had better actors.
  • DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 236</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>With an incomplete script, QOS still offers better acting performances than DAD, with a complete script.</b></font>

    Glad you figured out the wording Dimi :P. I knew you would!

    Agree with thesis 1000%. This is why with all it's faults and a year less to prepare, QOS is still a better movie. Forster is a genius compared to Tamahori! People who would disagree with this make me want to stick a fork in my eyeball. Or better yet, theirs :-?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Agree 100% too. QoS is in my Top 5.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I'm going to disagree with this one.
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    I'm going to disagree with this one.

    Care to explain why?
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    Errm yes...I agree with this statement.

    QoS didn't have a character called Mr Kil either [-(
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 236</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>With an incomplete script, QOS still offers better acting performances than DAD, with a complete script.</b></font>

    Glad you figured out the wording Dimi :P. I knew you would!

    Agree with thesis 1000%. This is why with all it's faults and a year less to prepare, QOS is still a better movie. Forster is a genius compared to Tamahori! People who would disagree with this make me want to stick a fork in my eyeball. Or better yet, theirs :-?
    I'm going to disagree with this one.

    Ouch!

    Anyway, yes I think QoS had better acting, but that's not what made the huge difference. Basically it was DAD's appalling script en idiotic director ( I keep on saying: how could this happen with the guy ho made Once Were Worriors?) compared to a way better if not notalthough not finished script and very talented director. Many say DAD was Brosnan's best when it comes to his acting. I don't really agree, but it says a lot about the films.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 236</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>With an incomplete script, QOS still offers better acting performances than DAD, with a complete script.</b></font>

    QoS not only has better acting performances than DAD but it also presents some of the greatest acting seen yet in the whole franchise, the pinnacle being Dan's masterful onscreen manifestation of Bond's grieving process. It contains absolutely beautiful showcases of talent from Dan, Judi, Giancarlo, Olga, Mathieu, Wright and the rest of the lot in sparkling form.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    RE: With an incomplete script, QOS still offers better acting performances than DAD, with a complete script.


    Agree and Twine whas Brosnan best acting performance.

    QOS remember to old days of Connery and Roger Moore be one of my first comment about QOS.


    One note: DAD script whas kind of incomplete too because there must changed it in 2001, 2-3 months before start filming in January 2002. Halle Barry no longer whant to be the villian also. There be remours that in the original script Bond end with Miranda Frost, Moneypenny or Madonna because Jinx be henchwoman of Falco who then turn in to a villian who then possible return in another movie of Bond or Jinx her own movie. Bond end with Moneypenny or Frost, the Jinx movie plans and Jinx be the villian be offcial confirmd. I remember there be some pictures of Rosamund Pike with Brosnan in hot tube.

    Another note: Actors are fine, Skyfall can also have turn in to another DAD with P&W reference in Skyfall to DAD, the weak story of that card, strange things like the villians music taste (Whyle i must say that there think better about that why, then a villian who thinks he be hero you if you don't sleap.) and if David Arnold have done the music...

    14/23 QOS
    17/23 Skyfall
    18/23 DAD
    22/23 Casino Royale
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    Agree with thesis 1000%. This is why with all it's faults and a year less to prepare, QOS is still a better movie. Forster is a genius compared to Tamahori! People who would disagree with this make me want to stick a fork in my eyeball. Or better yet, theirs :-?

    I'm glad you and I agree once again. I'd hate to have my eyeball stabbed!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 237</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The most recent GE video game should not have used Craig's image but Brosnan's instead.</b></font>
  • Agree. If they could do it for From Russia With Love, they can do it for GoldenEye.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 237</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The most recent GE video game should not have used Craig's image but Brosnan's instead.</b></font>

    Agreed. Rareware and Nintendo should have come together and make a deal to re release GoldenEye 64 with HD graphics. But Activision made there own GoldenEye and it turned out being a "just okay" shooter.
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    I like Craig's take, though. At least it wasn't like Legends where they used his face but some other, bland voice actor to impersonate him. I really don't want to ever see Brosnan as Bond in anything ever again, so I'll disagree with the thesis. Maybe if the re-make had been an actual note-for-note remake, then I could talk about Brosnan. But Craig was much better for a contemporary GE.
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