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As the series went on, naturally, the death became more underplayed, but in the sixties films, GF-YOLT, death scenes were subtle.
Sorry @Dimi, I'm going have to disagree
Unable to say but from what I have heard? Agree.
Agree: It also keeps the series alive! Which is a good job as it's my hobby!
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Agree: Probably wanting to bring something new and different onto the silver screen? This was most likely the brief that the producers gave Connery as their was nothing else like around in the 1960's?
<font color=blue size=7><b>The FYEO PTS could have worked as the DAF PTS, with the rest of DAF's script kept unchanged.</b></font>
Anything would be an improvement on what we ended up with in DAF. In my opinion, the biggest missed opportunity in the entire franchise. How I long to see a Lazenby DAF, as a proper revenge tale. Dropping Blofeld down a chimney would have been a let down after OHMSS, but considerably less so than DAF was.
Yes, it could have worked but not knowing Blofeld's fate at the end of the film is still frustrating.
Also, I know why they put this particular thing in the PTS of FYEO, but I've never liked it there. ;-)
So I agree with the thesis.
When Dalton left, I was very sad to see him go, but then leading up to GE I was really excited about the prospect of a new Bond. Same after Brosnan left, while at first I was sad that we wouldn't get any more films with Pierce, once Craig was announced I was really excited to see his Bond.
So I agree.
Not sure if I like the idea of this? So I would have to disagree?
I agree but I think it is slightly better than the DAF one because Tracy is actually mentioned.
<font color=blue size=7><b>Elektra's death overshadows Renard's, making the latter a dramatic anticlimax.</b></font>
While I agree and think that the film did screw the deaths up, I don't have a problem with the idea of having Elektra's death overshadow Renard's, as she is the film's main villain. However, Elektra's death coming before that of Renard and the long action sequence leading up to his muck the film up. Had they removed the bit with Bond having to go outside the sub and just skipped straight to the fight scene, I believe the film would have benefited greatly. I believe the initial fight with the sub crew makes it seem anticlimactic. Or, they could have kept that part but have Elektra escape and Bond have to chase her down afterward.
Defiantly one of my least favorite final battles in the Bond series. While Bond's cool and cold-blooded killing of Electra is pure Bond. For me that's not only on the few highlights in a very forgettable Bond film but maybe Brosnan's finest moment as 007. The movie completely goes downhill after that moment.
Would have to agree without doubt! A cold bloodied kill which I thought was brilliantly well done!
For some reason I pressed post comment before I was finished -_-
Elektra's death is hyped up when really it shouldn't have been anything, whereas Renard's was always going to be a bit flat. In the end, the fact Renard wasn't the main villain does put across TWINE's general poor writing.
It's called a plot twist. Much more interesting than just having Elektra be the damsel in distress and Renard be the main baddy imo.
How would this have worked though? Renard stays behind while Elektra is on the submarine (which makes no sense, given that Elektra wouldn't know the first thing about operating a nuclear weapon)? Or Bond dealing with Renard first then going back to the tower and killing Elektra (which also wouldn't have worked because then Elektra probably would've killed M)?
No, I think film had the right idea with the submarine finale. The problem was the fight with Renard should've been better.
In a movie that never concerned itself with making sense I'm sure they would've found a way. Here's my suggestion. Valentine frees Bond from the torture chair, Electra escapes, Bond decides to save M rather than peruse her, Bond saves the day on the nuclear sub, and then instead of that horrible ending we got with Denise Richards the film ends with Bond tracking down Electra (kind of like the ending of QOS) has a personal confrontation with her and kills her in cold blood. Bond walks off into the shadows as badass and cold-blooded as ever as the credits roll. There you have it. Maybe I should've been hired to write TWINE ;)
The problem with that is that Renard could, nay should, have been a wonderful villain with an over-the-top power that made him threatening and interesting, and this wasted potential is my main problem with TWINE. Elektra is an okay Bond girl at best, but a very boring villain, and her motives and plans never particuarly clear. IMO TWINE would be a much better film had Renard been the main villain, Elektra the main girl, and not a single Denise Richards in sight.
Very true. That scenario would've made a much better movie. With Robert Carlyle being the fantastic actor he is he could've easily carried the villain role entirely on his own.