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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Disagree. Kanaga's/Mr. Big's character was running a crime wave and drug operation throughout two countries. The man couldn't do it by himself.
  • sunsanvilsunsanvil Somewhere in Canada....somewhere.
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    While Live and Let Die does not really rank too high for me, mainly because of its overwhelming 70s TV drama feel which has not aged well at all, I dont think my mind would have gone to "too many villainous characters". I mean, there is really only one villain per sé, Kananga, and I dont feel Rosie even qualifies as the requisite female villain. That leaves a handful of henchmen, principally Tee Hee, which is par for the course.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited February 2015 Posts: 18,343
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I think it has the strongest line-up of villains aside from FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE. Not too many at all. I love it that every black person in the Universe, aside form two, are in on the conspiracy to get Bond.

    Yes, and they are individual characters who are much more interesting than that crowd of henchmen from SPECTRE we got in the previous films which became dull after a while.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    sunsanvil wrote: »
    While Live and Let Die does not really rank too high for me, mainly because of its overwhelming 70s TV drama feel which has not aged well at all, I dont think my mind would have gone to "too many villainous characters". I mean, there is really only one villain per sé, Kananga, and I dont feel Rosie even qualifies as the requisite female villain. That leaves a handful of henchmen, principally Tee Hee, which is par for the course.

    What I love about LALD is that even small villains get shining moments and are distinctive from one another. Even in far superior Bond movies, too many henchmen become interchangeable, or merely a face in the background.
  • ChangChang
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    Yaphet Kotto was the MVP of Live and Let Die. He made the movie.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
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    Disagree. All of the small villains have their own characteristics and get their moments. They're developed well. That film, From Russia With Love, and GoldenEye have the best villain ensembles.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    In fact, I think we need a proper "villain ensemble" Bond movie, where even minor villainous characters have their moment.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    In fact, I think we need a proper "villain ensemble" Bond movie, where even minor villainous characters have their moment.

    SPECTRE could be it, perhaps?
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    In fact, I think we need a proper "villain ensemble" Bond movie, where even minor villainous characters have their moment.

    SPECTRE could be it, perhaps?

    Maybe. it certainly already has a number of villains played by actors with striking appearances, so that is a good sign.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited March 2015 Posts: 24,256
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 319</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>So far, the Craig Bond has been rather monogamous.</b></font>
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    "Fairly monogamous". What an expression. Is that something you say to your wife?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Do you have another suggestion, @Thunderfinger? "Rather monogamous"?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Do you have another suggestion, @Thunderfinger? "Rather monogamous"?

    Yes, you can try that on her. Good luck, buddy.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited March 2015 Posts: 24,256
    You're being difficult, @Thunderfinger. ;-)
    The whole point is that the Craig Bond was monogamous in some movies though not in all. Therefore: 'rather' monogamous. I really don't understand what point you're trying to make. :-)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Hehe, why not call him "less polygamous" ?
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    I'll move the discussion along.

    I would agree with the theory. When with Vesper, he didn't mess around. He's only been in very brief interludes before and since. But not during. Craig is unlike Lazenby, who set his schedules with angels while being involved with Tracy.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I would agree, although it was more circumstantial than anything else.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Agree.

    A few dalliances here and there, but Craig seems relatively restrained compared to the others.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Well, to be honest he's more like a serial monogamist.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Agree with the thesis mostly. CR was about Vesper, QOS was about revenge and their was only the Fields encounter, and Skyfall was Severine and the mystery woman when Bond was MIA.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Very true @Ludovico. As Dominic Greene said "Everything he (Craig) touches withers and dies".
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    agreed and his women all are rather forgetable too, but perhaps that is my personal taste.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    There's certainly been less emphasis on "bed hopping" in the Craig era but he's still been about a bit.

    1. CR - Solange and Vesper
    2. Fields
    3. Girl on beach and Severine

    So DISAGREE.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I do think Craig's Bond is closer to the novels' Bond this way.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    There's certainly been less emphasis on "bed hopping" in the Craig era but he's still been about a bit.

    1. CR - Solange and Vesper
    2. Fields
    3. Girl on beach and Severine

    So DISAGREE.

    Doh!! I forgot about Solange!
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Turn in your man card.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    There have been standard numbers of girls, but the themes of the movies are different. the second half of CR (it really is like two mini-movies spliced together) was all about his love for Vesper, and while he did get with Fields in QoS, the loss of Vesper still hung over everything he did. By Skyfall, he was mostly back to normal, and SPECTRE (are we capitalizing that or not?) looks to continue the trend, although I've not read any spoilers.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    We wouldn't be questioning this if it wasn't for the 60s and 70s take on Bond when he seemed to sleep with every girl he met. In Roger's time the writers simply had Bond snog every woman he shared a scene with. It saved coming up with worthwhile dialogue.

    I would say that compared to my life (for example) Craig's Bond is doing ok. :-)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Kerim wrote: »
    Very true @Ludovico. As Dominic Greene said "Everything he (Craig) touches withers and dies".

    He is doing fine compared to the Cartwrights.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Well basically beeing monogamous means going for one partner during a certain time, right? in that case Craig has been completely monogamous (there you go @Thunders, he's as safe as can be). Solange died before he met Vesper, and so on and so forth. And then still, one uses those terms only when a relationship becomes serious, right? Or is that just my louzy standards?
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