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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well basically beeing monogamous means going for one partner during a certain time, right? in that case Craig has been completely monogamous (there you go @Thunders, he's as safe as can be). Solange died before he met Vesper, and so on and so forth. And then still, one uses those terms only when a relationship becomes serious, right? Or is that just my louzy standards?

    @CommanderRoss, I agree with everything you say, sir.

    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 320</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Bond was never more clever a spy than in CR (2006).</b></font>

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited March 2015 Posts: 7,546
    Disagree.
    He and Carter (Carter's fault, of course) get made by Mollaka leading to the parkour chase.
    Fails to obtain the package being transferred between Dimitrios and Carlos.
    He gets made by Carlos in the airport (sunglasses mirror).
    Bond successfully reveals information to Le Chiffre regarding his recklessness (Vesper was right, in the discussion before they [she] gets on the elevator).
    Le Chiffre successfully tricks Bond with regards to his bluff through Vesper; Bond thinks its Mathis.
    Finally, Quantum successfully uses Vesper to obtain the money (Mr. White walking away with the case at the end of the film).
    IMO, Operation Casino Royale was a disaster :)) I'm sure there will be many who disagree, and point out my mistakes!

    He did a couple of things right, of course, such as:
    Getting Mollaka's phone
    Getting Vesper to love him a bunch, leading her to give him clues regarding Mr. White

    I think one of the points of this movie was to prove that everyone around Bond was correct; he's reckless and not terribly fantastic at his job; he's young, and thinks he's invincible; it's not until he realizes he's betrayed by Vesper that he grows up and becomes the Bond we all (and MI6) know and love, which we begin to see at the very end of the film with his interaction with White.

    Alright, come at me, everyone!
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited March 2015 Posts: 3,157
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    wall of text
    Alright, come at me, everyone!

    The way you put it out makes me agree with your post, and this point of view of CR makes me appreciate the movie even more.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I take that as the highest of compliments, so thank you, very much!
    I should say that, of course, I think CR is a brilliant movie, and one hugely important victory is made here, above all other objectives:
    This mission turns James Bond from a reckless individual with a huge (if, unused, here) talent for espionage into the lean and deadly spy machine that is about dismantle SPECTRE.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Disagree, he makes plenty of mistakes as he starts out as a double O agent.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
    edited March 2015 Posts: 1,257
    Aside from Bond breaking into M's place and using her laptop to trace the ELLIPSIS text message to the Bahamas and then using the Ocean Club's security footage and the text message's time stamp to identify Dimitrios, there aren't many notable instances of truly competent espionage. I'd say there were more spy moments in QOS, to be honest.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited March 2015 Posts: 7,546
    Seven_Point_Six_Five wrote: »
    Aside from Bond breaking into M's place and using her laptop to trace the ELLIPSIS text message to the Bahamas and then using the Ocean Club's security footage and the text message's time stamp to identify Dimitrios, there aren't many notable instances of truly competent espionage. I'd say there were more spy moments in QOS, to be honest.

    Great point here. However, was there truly no other company computer he could have used to accomplish this? Why M's?
    Also, agree with QoS; identifying the members of Quantum at the opera was pretty brilliant.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Seven_Point_Six_Five wrote: »
    Aside from Bond breaking into M's place and using her laptop to trace the ELLIPSIS text message to the Bahamas and then using the Ocean Club's security footage and the text message's time stamp to identify Dimitrios, there aren't many notable instances of truly competent espionage. I'd say there were more spy moments in QOS, to be honest.

    Great point here. However, was there truly no other company computer he could have used to accomplish this? Why M's?
    Also, agree with QoS; identifying the members of Quantum at the opera was pretty brilliant.

    I guess breaking in to her house was easier then going to the office when he was most likely detained there for shooting up an embassy. I'm not quite sure if that's a good reason though. Agree with the above, and anyway, I think he was pretty clever in DN, FRWL, TB....etc. etc.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited March 2015 Posts: 13,978
    Thesis #230: Disagree. Craig's Bond doesn't do clever, he's more of wrecking ball.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Putting the bomb key chain on the terrorists belt was pretty clever - especially while the truck was thundering along.

    Personally though I DISAGREE. Bond gets tricked several times and makes mistakes.

    Bond is at his cleverest in GF. He figures out the grand scheme in a few seconds, calculates difficult maths easily and talks his way out of certain death.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2015 Posts: 15,713
    Disagree - the most clever Bond was in LTK, when he manages to turn Sanchez against his own crew.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited March 2015 Posts: 2,629
    Disagree as well. CR's Bond was more of a "the ends justify the means". Plus he makes too many rookie mistakes.

    Agree with @DaltonCraig007. Bond was at his best in terms of cleverness in LTK.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Thesis #230: Disagree. Craig's Bond doesn't do clever, he's more of wrecking ball.

    ^^^^^^^^
    this, is my impression of Craigs 007 and he does it quite well. But in all three movies his 007 was never the smartest card in the deck but mostly a character that kept coming and did wear his opponents down.
    O:-)
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    How about when Bond recognizes rare flowers by their genetic makeup and defuses nuclear bombs? ;)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 321</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>SPECTRE will tie SF in with CR/QOS.</b></font>
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    I'll bravely go first and say ney. I think they'll move on from CR, SF and especially QOS.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    I'm not sure what you mean by "tie in". They clearly take place in the same universe, since the trailer contains references to both, but I can't see them tying Silva into Quantum or what have you.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    The events of those movies obviously won't be ignored.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Yes.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I have to agree. In fact, we already know from the trailer that it will be the case. To which degree it will tie in is another matter entirely.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 321</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>SPECTRE will tie SF in with CR/QOS.</b></font>

    Agree, the four films are all linked whether you like it or not?
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited March 2015 Posts: 2,629
    Kerim wrote: »
    I'll bravely go first and say ney. I think they'll move on from CR, SF and especially QOS.

    After seeing the SP trailer, I hereby reverse my analogy of the thesis.

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Yes.

    I'm against @Thunderfinger, so I'll just say yes as well.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited March 2015 Posts: 45,489
    :))
    Idit: Ediot! ;)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited March 2015 Posts: 24,159
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 322</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Craig looks younger in (the) SPECTRE (teaser) than he did in SF.</b></font>

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I am always negative, so I will say no.
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    he definitely does. I think that's intentional. the shorter hair in SF made him look older. Also many of the colors for suits didn't match his skin tone and made him look washed out.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    He actually looks younger than he did in QOS.

    Damn, now that I think of it, Craig has been bond longer than Brosnan, and has aged far better.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Agreed, but moreso because he kind of let himself go in SF where's back in action in SP..

    As long as he looks younger than Connery or Moore at the end of his run, I'm fine with his appearance.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 322</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Craig looks younger in (the) SPECTRE (teaser) than he did in SF.</b></font>

    I Agree, and credit to him for being able to achieve this!
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