The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    edited April 2015 Posts: 1,731
    Thesis #230: Disagree. Craig's Bond doesn't do clever, he's more of wrecking ball.

    Agreed. I hope the writers give Dan a bit more grey matter to work with in SP. Surely we are past the 'newly promoted gung-ho agent' phase by now...

    And yes, he looks good / better than in SF. Mature, but most definitely not past it.
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    I agree. In the pictures too.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Absolutely. I noticed that even during the press release/photocall in December.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I watched an interview with him from SF and then SP. It was noticeable he looked younger in the latter. Trying to pin down why (apart from the shorter hair), he did seem more lined and his eyebrows seemed almost non existent in the SF interview.

    Has Dan had a little bit of work done?

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    That would be police Positive I guess. haven't got a clue and as long as he doesn't look as old as Roger, frankly, he doesn't really look like he gives a damn.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    He actually looks younger than he did in QOS.

    Damn, now that I think of it, Craig has been bond longer than Brosnan, and has aged far better.

    I vehemently agree wuth this.
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    He actually looks younger than he did in QOS.

    Damn, now that I think of it, Craig has been bond longer than Brosnan, and has aged far better.

    I vehemently agree wuth this.

    Men who look younger than they are often don't age well, I find.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    He actually looks younger than he did in QOS.

    Damn, now that I think of it, Craig has been bond longer than Brosnan, and has aged far better.

    I vehemently agree wuth this.

    Men who look younger than they are often don't age well, I find.

    well thanks! there goes my future.
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    I hope to be of help in saying, that mostly goes for cute, boyish looking guys. They loose the cuteness and just look weird.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    I hope to be of help in saying, that mostly goes for cute, boyish looking guys. They loose the cuteness and just look weird.
    my future is looking grimmer and grimmer....
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    I hope to be of help in saying, that mostly goes for cute, boyish looking guys. They loose the cuteness and just look weird.
    my future is looking grimmer and grimmer....
    Oh dear. I hoped, you wouldn't have to say that. But guess what, you are the exception from the rule ;;)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    He actually looks younger than he did in QOS.

    Damn, now that I think of it, Craig has been bond longer than Brosnan, and has aged far better.

    I vehemently agree wuth this.

    Men who look younger than they are often don't age well, I find.

    That's not always the case in my experience, especially when it comes to people of colour. However, in Craig's case, he's always had a somewhat "vintage" look to him and whereas he's looked older than he is in many instances, right now, he looks on par ti how he looked circa 2006. aside from genetics, people's looks can change due to many factors from a varied diet to excersise and overall lifestyle changes.

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    I hope to be of help in saying, that mostly goes for cute, boyish looking guys. They loose the cuteness and just look weird.
    my future is looking grimmer and grimmer....
    Oh dear. I hoped, you wouldn't have to say that. But guess what, you are the exception from the rule ;;)
    haha no worries, i take it all in good humour. The only problem I have is that many often think I'm still a student or an intern whereas I haven't been such for about ten years. But as soon as I start talking they start to understand I'm worth listening to. ssometimes. ;-)

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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    I hope to be of help in saying, that mostly goes for cute, boyish looking guys. They loose the cuteness and just look weird.
    my future is looking grimmer and grimmer....
    Oh dear. I hoped, you wouldn't have to say that. But guess what, you are the exception from the rule ;;)
    haha no worries, i take it all in good humour. The only problem I have is that many often think I'm still a student or an intern whereas I haven't been such for about ten years. But as soon as I start talking they start to understand I'm worth listening to. ssometimes. ;-)

    I have learned that years ago, reading you on Connanderbond. ;)
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    I hope to be of help in saying, that mostly goes for cute, boyish looking guys. They loose the cuteness and just look weird.
    my future is looking grimmer and grimmer....
    Oh dear. I hoped, you wouldn't have to say that. But guess what, you are the exception from the rule ;;)
    haha no worries, i take it all in good humour. The only problem I have is that many often think I'm still a student or an intern whereas I haven't been such for about ten years. But as soon as I start talking they start to understand I'm worth listening to. ssometimes. ;-)

    I have learned that years ago, reading you on Connanderbond. ;)

    Now I definately will buy you a Vesper if we ever meet!
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    I hope to be of help in saying, that mostly goes for cute, boyish looking guys. They loose the cuteness and just look weird.
    my future is looking grimmer and grimmer....
    Oh dear. I hoped, you wouldn't have to say that. But guess what, you are the exception from the rule ;;)
    haha no worries, i take it all in good humour. The only problem I have is that many often think I'm still a student or an intern whereas I haven't been such for about ten years. But as soon as I start talking they start to understand I'm worth listening to. ssometimes. ;-)

    I have learned that years ago, reading you on Connanderbond. ;)

    Now I definately will buy you a Vesper if we ever meet!

    Its Easter, I could make the time. Where do you live? :D

    (Oops, soon they will say "Take a room, you two")
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    edited April 2015 Posts: 1,731
    Germanlady wrote: »
    I hope to be of help in saying, that mostly goes for cute, boyish looking guys. They loose the cuteness and just look weird.

    Germanlady is on to something there. From a straight male perspective (not that it even really matters, but obviously influences the subjectivity as there is no actual attraction involved) I agree that the 'boyish' good lookers tend not to age well.

    I think Michael J Fox, DiCaprio and Matt Damon all looked better when they were younger. Craig however I'd put more in the Connery/Clive Owen/Kevin Costner kind of mould, they definitely aged better than the first bunch and their looks improved after their 20's rather than diminished. Fingers crossed, I guess... :-bd

    This can also apply to certain women, by the way :>
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    I hope to be of help in saying, that mostly goes for cute, boyish looking guys. They loose the cuteness and just look weird.
    my future is looking grimmer and grimmer....
    Oh dear. I hoped, you wouldn't have to say that. But guess what, you are the exception from the rule ;;)
    haha no worries, i take it all in good humour. The only problem I have is that many often think I'm still a student or an intern whereas I haven't been such for about ten years. But as soon as I start talking they start to understand I'm worth listening to. ssometimes. ;-)

    I have learned that years ago, reading you on Connanderbond. ;)

    Now I definately will buy you a Vesper if we ever meet!

    Its Easter, I could make the time. Where do you live? :D

    (Oops, soon they will say "Take a room, you two")

    Not too far from the skinny bridge. In a place even more beautiful. And other then folklore may suggest, we don't all stand hugging ourselves on dark corners... ;-)

    @AceHole, just trying to cheer me up I guess? :-P
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    Worry not, for my observations & opinions count for nothing, as my wife will gladly tell you @ CommanderRoss
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    I feel like an idiot, but whats the skinny bridge? Folklore? :-?
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    He actually looks younger than he did in QOS.

    Damn, now that I think of it, Craig has been bond longer than Brosnan, and has aged far better.

    I vehemently agree wuth this.

    Men who look younger than they are often don't age well, I find.

    That's not always the case in my experience, especially when it comes to people of colour. However, in Craig's case, he's always had a somewhat "vintage" look to him and whereas he's looked older than he is in many instances, right now, he looks on par ti how he looked circa 2006. aside from genetics, people's looks can change due to many factors from a varied diet to excersise and overall lifestyle changes.

    Maybe not for people of colour, but for white men I often find it to be the case.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    edited April 2015 Posts: 8,266
    Germanlady wrote: »
    I feel like an idiot, but whats the skinny bridge? Folklore? :-?
    Perhaps you should watch DAF again... ;-)

    It's a place from where you can see lovely old ladies beeing dragged from canals and killers take pictures of said canals for the children.
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    Oh, ok haha...
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    I think I would agree with this thesis. One has to wonder if Dan has had some work done....
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Thesis #322: Disagree. Keep in mind that I haven't scrutinized the trailer, but I don't think he looks younger.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited April 2015 Posts: 14,584
    Hmm... I must agree and disagree. IMO, while our man does look positively glowing throughout the trailer (youthful in the face, satisfying hair length), during the shots in his flat he looks incredibly worn out, burning the candle at both ends- even by his standards.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 323</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>A good Bond script has Bond do a lot of improvisation.</b></font>
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    Without having read the history of a specific film, it would be difficult to know what has been improvised. I don't regard a change in wording or adding a line or two as improvisation. For me improvisation occurs when a scene is made up. For example, perhaps Bond and the villain have a general idea of what a scene between them is about and they improvise the dialogue. Good actors can do that, but a scene can end up flabby.

    It is typically the case that the less script there is, the less satisfying the results. The 60s Casino Royale is a good case in point. The film has its moments, but not many. The talents of many fine actors were wasted on that one, particularly Orson Welles, who improvised a great deal in Citizen Kane.

    For me its less about improvisation than it is having a director and writers who are open to changes when a situation arises. And sometimes happy accidents occur that are worth keeping.
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    I think he meant Bond as a character doing lots of improvisation instead of work according to an established plan. I'd tend to agree. It is in the nature of his character, the one who sabotages the carefully established plan of the villain. When/if Bond merely follows orders and go from a to b out of a pre-established plan, he's merely an instrument and more importantly the villain must not have been such an extraordinary foe.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I agree. It was often there in the Connery films, and has returned in the present era. During escapes, during pursuits, during espionage etc. It makes for a more satisfying viewing experience.
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