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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • GetafixGetafix
    edited August 2015 Posts: 11,425
    DoctorKaufmann wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    I was always under the impression that Barry not scoring any further Bonds, was to do with A Ha. Something about them making demands, forced Barry to sever his connection to the series.

    I always thought I had read, that Barry moved to the US for tax reason and got into some unpleasant tax matters.
    In 1970 he moved to California and became a tax exile. Indeed, despite his success, he owed large sums to the Inland Revenue, and shortly afterwards his company was liquidated with debts of £365,000. Seven years later Mr Justice Templeman accused him of deliberately emigrating to avoid paying the £134,000 due to the taxman, and it was not until the late 1980s that the situation was resolved and Barry was able to return to England.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/music-obituaries/8292892/John-Barry.html

    About the "fight with a-ha", Pal Waaktaar said in an interview:
    We are currently celebrating the release of the 20th James Bond film. How
    exciting was it being involved with Bond when you did the soundtrack for ”The
    Living Daylights” in 1987 and did you get to meet the great 007 himself?
    Depends who you see as the great 007 - we did meet Timothy Dalton.
    Personally, I thought he was a case of bad casting. He’s too good a dramatic actor.
    I saw him in a play with his (even better) wife Vanessa Redgrave in London.
    To see him afterwards as Bond was just a little ludicrous..
    I liked Roger Moore better; his style, the way he moved those eyebrows up and
    down…now, that’s acting!
    Well, at least he brought humour to it - never a bad idea.
    The whole Bond experience was a rich meal.
    This ”Bond-family” around the Broccolis (according to Barbara Broccoli her great
    grandfather genetically produced the first Broccoli vegetable on earth – she spoon-fed us all with it as some stupid ritual on the set) all behaving like royalty, and of course
    our ”legendary” fight with John Barry left a rather unpleasant aftertaste.
    Apparently he compared us to Hitler-jugend in a Belgian newspaper interview.
    We became big in Belgium after that

    http://magnef.org/bibliography/hotrod-interview.pdf

    If the thorat surgery was the reason for Barry not to score LTK, there was no Bond moviie for six years. Maybe in 1995 h was too busy to score GE, or the producers and the director wanted Eric Serra to do the job.

    And Babs and Mike offered him to score TND, but he declined and suggested David Arnold for the job. And maybe then BB and MGW were happy with Arnold. Who knows? And Barry did not score that many movies afterwards, the last being ENIGMA? (not sure though)...

    Wow. Wanktaar sounds like a right Pain in the rear end
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Here's a couple of rescores. Make what you will. :)

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    ThomasCrown76 wrote: »
    Kamen did roadhouse...another movie where Dalton got into a bar fight;)

    :))
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Firsst off, obviously, we'll never know. But I really like Barry's TLD score, and I find Kamen's forgettable. Perhaps Barry was getting repettative, but he still could make very good scores. So, would his have been better? I'm inclined to say yes. As with Serra's GE score, it may fit the tone of the film, but that doesn't mean Barry wouldn't have made a score that would do so as well. And, another thing Kamen en Serra have in common, sometimes, especially in the Bond-canon, beeing contemporary isn't a good thing, as however good the film is, it will be seen over and over again in the coming decades as it is part of the Bond-canon. Those films will never completely fade. Not even DAD....
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited August 2015 Posts: 11,425
    It's ironic that A-Ha and Barry got on so badly, as it seems to me that the creative friction helped create a classic Bond score. The song is excellent.

    We should not forget the Pretenders and Crhissie Hynd's contribution either, which really adds to the movie. I love the way there is a specially written song worked into the score - as with OHMSS. I keep wondering whether they may have done that with SP as well. It would be a nice touch. We might be getting two artists announced in September...
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 336</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.</b></font>

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    NO but BETTER
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I agree.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    He looks younger, Q looks like he's aged 5~10 years.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Agree, but I think this is due to Craig's acting. Don't forget, in Skyfall he went down and out, and had to climb back up. In Spectre, on the other hand, he's fully back in the game..
  • lalala2004lalala2004
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    I wouldn't say younger, but better. His skin looked better, although that could be make up, and if clothes do make the man, that didn't hurt, either.
  • JWPepperJWPepper You sit on it, but you can't take it with you.
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    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Agree, but I think this is due to Craig's acting. Don't forget, in Skyfall he went down and out, and had to climb back up. In Spectre, on the other hand, he's fully back in the game..

    The short hair in SF made him look much older. Also, I think the digital cinematography has a harder edge, which makes him look older. With Spectre, film gives it a more soft feel.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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    Cannot agree. On the contrary, I was struck by how much DC aged between SF and SP. About like Seanery between YOLT and DAF.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I think he looks younger and better in SP. He didn't look so knackered and worn out this time around and it also helps he had a much better haircut.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    I think he looks younger and better in SP. He didn't look so knackered and worn out this time around and it also helps he had a much better haircut.
    Totally agree with this. In SF Craig looked horrendous with that skinhead cut and the beard. In SP I actually think he looks better than he did in CR and QoS. This is definitely his best appearance as 007, on par with Connery in TB.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Agree with those who said he looks better. Better than he did in haf of QOS, even.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2015 Posts: 23,883
    He does indeed look more dapper but that's due to clothing I think.

    There's something a little artificial about the way he looks in SP....can't quite put my finger on it. Like there's too much makeup, or perhaps it's just the golden colour of the film. Reminds me of how he looked in SF when he said "some men are coming to kill us.....we're going to kill them first". It was Bondian, but a little too Brosnan if you know what I mean.

    I think he looked best at L'Americaine. Didn't look a day older than in CR/QoS when he wore the same (or similar) blue Sunspel polo.
  • dragonskydragonsky
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    I..kinda agree. In Skyfall he looked more beat up and more..serous sorta. In this movie he looked differently. Again I know I am in majority, but Craig looked like Connery in DAF IMHO...like "ok..let's do this thing again, whatever".

    I kinda hoped he would look more beaten up in this movie.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 336</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.</b></font>

    He certainly looks more well formed and at ease, I think full credit goes to the man for how he keeps in such incredible shape and ofcourse the make up department.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Agreed. In SPECTRE Craig looks as good as he did in CR, even sporting the same haircut.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
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    If you look hard enough in a few scenes he looks older than he did in SF & vice versa. The smart blood scene he looks older, yet in the pts with estrella he looks way younger.

    He looked younger than he did in SF thogh for most of the film.
  • GeneralGogolGeneralGogol
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    I'm sure the time spent before starting filming had an impact. In 2010-11, Craig was busy filming and then promoting Dream House, Dragon Tattoo, Cowboys & Aliens, and Tintin. To jump straight into Skyfall after all of that must've been exhausting as hell for him and it showed in the movie.

    Not appearing in a single film release for 3 years prior to Spectre did its trick. Just a little Broadway in 2013 and not much else. So good for Craig - he looks very dapper and charming in Spectre. Just in the first scene with M and C he looks his age.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Surely this is becuase they deliberately made Craig look older I SF, which was one of the stupidest moves in Bond history. Craig's fifth and last Bokd film is when they could and should have played the whole "ageing Bond" card.
  • bondboy007bondboy007
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    I hate to bring up an actor's hair, but having longer hair in SP made him look younger than he did in SF. I thought the same thing with Brosnan in GE & TND - it wasn't necessarily shorter in TND/DAD, but the way he wore it made him look older to me.

    Craig's definitely aged since CR (although who doesn't look older after 9 years) - which is why I hope he does one more in Bond 25 and then they cast someone decidedly younger (late 20's/early 30's in the role). My biggest issue with SF was that they used the whole worn down/broken down Bond angle in Craig's 3rd film (after we'd just had 2 films building him up into becoming James Bond). In the film's first act he's shot, and the effects of his time off hamper his abilities at points throughout the film. It just wasn't what I wanted to see in just his 3rd turn as Bond - would've made more sense in his 4th or 5th film.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Craig looked so much better in SP than SF I was frankly shocked.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    Dan looked terrible in SF, it was almost painful to watch.
    SP not only sees him look rested, in shape and better styled - his whole demeanor was far more appealing.
  • SJK91SJK91
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    With Craig, it is a shot by shot thing. Beginning even in Casino Royale, certain shots he looks incredibly weathered and the very next shot he looks clean and tailored.

    Though I did feel Craig looked a bit more vibrant in Spectre when compared to Skyfall overall.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
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    SP was definitely Craig's best look for Bond, and SF was definitely his worst.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    SP was definitely Craig's best look for Bond, and SF was definitely his worst.

    I agree.

    SF he just looked like an escaped POW. In SP he was in cool and in-control alpha mode; looking unflappable and meticulously put together.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
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    Casino Royale
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    Quantum of Solace
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    Skyfall
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    Spectre
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