The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

bondjames

On 2nd watch, I think he looks younger than in SF in most of the film (particularly at L'American as mentioned before) but he also looks notably older in some parts, especially in M's office & during his chat with 'C'.

RogueAgent

I think he is aging well, and is certainly in great shape!

Perilagu_Khan

doubleoego wrote: »

jetsetwilly wrote: »

SP was definitely Craig's best look for Bond, and SF was definitely his worst.

I agree.

SF he just looked like an escaped POW. In SP he was in cool and in-control alpha mode; looking unflappable and meticulously put together.

Given that he had just come back from "death" he should have looked ragged and careworn. But after Moneypenny's shave he looked tickedyboo and better than he ever looked in SP.

mcdonbb

Craig to me looks fuller in the face in SP. He may not look as near as unkept as he did in SF but he looks older to me.

I'm the same age so it's not a bad thing lol.

Germanlady

I surely watched SF lots of times, but in a way, it wasn't all pleasure, as he did look rather gaunt and exhausted throughout with few exceptions. With Sp its all different. He looks much better, younger and fitter.

mepal1

I agree with the people who say Craig had a better haircut in SP than SF.

It was far to short, with a tuffty bit in the middle, it made him look like a mohican, and definitely older.

I wonder if this was DC's personal choice at the time, or whether it was a suggested look for the film?

Tuulia

mepal1 wrote: »

I agree with the people who say Craig had a better haircut in SP than SF.

It was far to short, with a tuffty bit in the middle, it made him look like a mohican, and definitely older.

I wonder if this was DC's personal choice at the time, or whether it was a suggested look for the film?

In the end those are the same thing, really. Whoever came up with the idea for that hairstyle, or if it was the result of several people's ideas put together, it surely had to be something that Craig was okay with (considering his huge influence on the character anyway), EON was okay with (obviously), and that was deemed to fit the Bond of that particular movie. So whoever suggested it - Craig, hairstylist, or anyone else, is sort of irrelevant. Whoever did... well, it's not a good look for him, but I got used to it...

Actors can contribute a lot of stuff to their characters, also stuff concerning their looks, hair obviously included. They don't necessarily negotiate with directors or producers beforehand, they may do what they do first, and then just show the results (the same thing with improvising while acting), and the directors/producers either happily go along with it, or have some reservations but eventually come around to it, or use their prerogative to just go "hell no" (can't think of specific examples of the last one right now, but surely it happens, too). No doubt actors can have more say in their character's look in some roles than in others. With Bond it would surely be fairly limited. But with any role, in the end, the actor's look has to be accepted by director/producers. So even if Craig just decided to have a haircut like that, it ending up in the movie or not surely wasn't really his choice.

fire_and_ice

Good question, there was one scene when sat in cinema it occurred to me, that he looked as young as he did in CR.

It was the scene that led to him asking the mouse Who do you work for

:))

timmer

lalala2004 wrote: »

I wouldn't say younger, but better. His skin looked better, although that could be make up, and if clothes do make the man, that didn't hurt, either.

Right. He just looked real good, not so much younger. He moved real well too.
An exemplary turn as 007 I thought.Yes aand he had a great haircut too. Very well groomed in SP.

Perilagu_Khan

What? Seriously? You liked SP, timmer? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

CommanderRoss

Tuulia wrote: »

mepal1 wrote: »

I agree with the people who say Craig had a better haircut in SP than SF.

It was far to short, with a tuffty bit in the middle, it made him look like a mohican, and definitely older.

I wonder if this was DC's personal choice at the time, or whether it was a suggested look for the film?

In the end those are the same thing, really. Whoever came up with the idea for that hairstyle, or if it was the result of several people's ideas put together, it surely had to be something that Craig was okay with (considering his huge influence on the character anyway), EON was okay with (obviously), and that was deemed to fit the Bond of that particular movie. So whoever suggested it - Craig, hairstylist, or anyone else, is sort of irrelevant. Whoever did... well, it's not a good look for him, but I got used to it...

Actors can contribute a lot of stuff to their characters, also stuff concerning their looks, hair obviously included. They don't necessarily negotiate with directors or producers beforehand, they may do what they do first, and then just show the results (the same thing with improvising while acting), and the directors/producers either happily go along with it, or have some reservations but eventually come around to it, or use their prerogative to just go "hell no" (can't think of specific examples of the last one right now, but surely it happens, too). No doubt actors can have more say in their character's look in some roles than in others. With Bond it would surely be fairly limited. But with any role, in the end, the actor's look has to be accepted by director/producers. So even if Craig just decided to have a haircut like that, it ending up in the movie or not surely wasn't really his choice.

One that got really close for the 'no' version has become one of the most famous movie characters of recent times: Johnny Depp's Captain Jack Sparrow. Disney wasn't at ll pleased, but in the end went along with it.

Tuulia

CommanderRoss wrote: »

Tuulia wrote: »

mepal1 wrote: »

I agree with the people who say Craig had a better haircut in SP than SF.

It was far to short, with a tuffty bit in the middle, it made him look like a mohican, and definitely older.

I wonder if this was DC's personal choice at the time, or whether it was a suggested look for the film?

In the end those are the same thing, really. Whoever came up with the idea for that hairstyle, or if it was the result of several people's ideas put together, it surely had to be something that Craig was okay with (considering his huge influence on the character anyway), EON was okay with (obviously), and that was deemed to fit the Bond of that particular movie. So whoever suggested it - Craig, hairstylist, or anyone else, is sort of irrelevant. Whoever did... well, it's not a good look for him, but I got used to it...

Actors can contribute a lot of stuff to their characters, also stuff concerning their looks, hair obviously included. They don't necessarily negotiate with directors or producers beforehand, they may do what they do first, and then just show the results (the same thing with improvising while acting), and the directors/producers either happily go along with it, or have some reservations but eventually come around to it, or use their prerogative to just go "hell no" (can't think of specific examples of the last one right now, but surely it happens, too). No doubt actors can have more say in their character's look in some roles than in others. With Bond it would surely be fairly limited. But with any role, in the end, the actor's look has to be accepted by director/producers. So even if Craig just decided to have a haircut like that, it ending up in the movie or not surely wasn't really his choice.

One that got really close for the 'no' version has become one of the most famous movie characters of recent times: Johnny Depp's Captain Jack Sparrow. Disney wasn't at ll pleased, but in the end went along with it.

Oh? That's interesting. The look was his creation? I didn't know that. Also didn't know Disney wasn't happy with it. I wonder what their problem with it was. Thanks for that example. I could think examples for the other two categories, good to have one for the third one, too. :)

In general the studios and producers should let the actors and directors do their job and not interfere in everything. It's completely ridiculous, for instance, that they try and demand actors to look prettier than is suitable for the role (especially women)... the assumption presumably being that audiences only wish to see pretty people.

Daltonforyou

Perhaps a better question now: Did Craig look positively younger in Skyfall or No Time To Die?

SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷

The haircut makes him look older in SF. I'm still trying to wrap my head around that haircut. In NTTD, we know he's already aged, even at that, the haircut is still great. But that SF haircut!...Wow! I would like to think it was deliberate to suit the aging Bond thing. But funnily enough in SP, it was Connery-esque and good, same in NTTD. CR and QoS haircuts too are good. I don't know if for SF, they were following Live And Let Die novel, with Bond on a military style haircut.

mtm

I do think he looks ridiculously good in Spectre. They really nailed his styling for that one.

Look at these two.

SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷

mtm wrote: »

I do think he looks ridiculously good in Spectre. They really nailed his styling for that one.

Look at these two.

Yes. He looked really good in SP.

Venutius

I agree with whoever it was on here who said that it'd've been better if Bond in SF had come back from 'death' with the shorter crop instead of having it all along. There's quite a widespread thing in many cultures about shorn hair and death/mourning, so it would've added a nice bit of texture to it for those that caught the reference.