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So yes, QoS while not the nadir of the Bond series is definitely a step back from the superior CR.
Absolutely agree. EON should've kept Martin Campbell as director and since they were planning in advance to have a two part storyline, they should have written QOS at the same time they wrote CR's script so it would've felt more like a cohesive 2nd half of the same story.
Campbell didn't want to do another and Quantum Of Solace was in the planning stages when Casino Royale was being filmed, so they did partly what you suggested, @PrinceKamalKhan.
A better idea would have been the film them back-to-back at the same time, maybe.
Thesis #40: Agree[/quote]
I thought I read that QOS's script was either delayed or quickly written due to a writer's strike in 2007 and/or 2008?
Indeed. Like the Lord Of The Rings trilogy or Superman I and Superman II.
For me, DN/FRWL, LALD/TMWTGG, TSWLM/MR, OP/AVTAK and TLD/LTK each feel more like parts 1 and 2 of the same story than CR/QOS did, largely due to each of these duos sharing the same director, and in TSWLM/MR's , OP/AVTAK's, and TLD/LTK's cases, the same production designer as well.
No, just not polished up to the usual standard. Check out the MI6 production diaries for all the information on this.
QOS is a step forwards after DAD and CR and in production design and cinematopgraphy mabey also more forwards dan GE til Twine. I said this because the style remember me also a bit to LTK, Thunderball and FRWL. Stil i also think there be some flaws like the boat chase and the airplane scene.
I hope people get there breath moment there claimd to be missing, i hope there wil a high step forwards (better then CR) in breath moments too in music/sound now the composer and music editor are replaced.
Personally I feel that Fields in an example of exactly how underwhelming certain parts of this film are.
Agree
It wasn't a step backwards, it was a shove backwards.
Maybe there are one or two individuals on this planet who are genuinely under the impression that Quantum of Solace was a better Bond release than Royale and that's fair enough, but common sense dictates and it must be brought to attention that the former will forever be in the shadow of it's predecessor. Royale was a good film, a marked improvement on the abysmal Die Another Day and a 2008 release or whatever had big shoes to fill after Royale and never came close
So QOS was a step backwards after Royale, if that's the case we may as well place Royale in North Carolina or something and start taking steps backwards (with Quantum of Solace) and keep going to a place it deserves, which may be getting ones feet wet in the Pacific Ocean
Silly thesis
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Agree. I actually 'enjoyed' QoS more in the cinema that CR, wihich I felt took itself a bit too seriously and was overlong. As you say, some less frenetic editing, a very slightly longer running time (which would have allowed poorly edited scenes to be made comprehensible) and a few extra months on the script and it could have been very good indeed. Some things don't feel right about it, but I'd argue that the good bits (e.g. the Tosca scene) are actually some of the best Bond sequences we've seen for a couple of decades.
Actually, the more I think about it, if I'm being honest I was disappointed overall with CR. DC and EG were both excellent. The poker scenes were good and I liked Le Chiffre. But overall I didn't actually enjoy watching it very much. I felt it was a touch 'stodgy' and dull. Obviously after DUD it was a huge relief to have a decent actor playing Bond and for the film not to be utter rubbish.
Where parts of CR felt like they went on too long (the slightly daft and irrelevant feeling airport chase sequence), QoS felt rushed. Having said that, I do think Forster was trying to capture something of the early movies - which are fast paced, tightly edited and leave you wanting more. Obviously for many people he didn't succeed in that, but I think it was a pretty good effort.
On balance therefore I see QoS as a step forward from CR as (IMO) it demonstrated some characteristically Bondian flourishes, it was not over-long and it mostly looked fantastic. This is not meant as a criticism of CR so much as a call for QoS to be reassessed and judged a little more fairly than it has been up until now.
Now, I am hoping Skyfall builds on QoS and CR to deliver the first thoroughly enjoyable Bond film since TLD.
While there are some nice moments in it, I feel that half the film was spent trying to relive the old ones, most obvious being Fields death. At least DAD had half an excuse to pay tribute
I will maintain though that some of the worse entries have more of a re-watch value - that includes DAD (I'm watching the Cuba sequence now actually).
I agree, when I don't want to sit through an entire movie, I like to watch certain scenes, and with QOS it's hard to find scenes that are enjoyable to rewatch. Sure, QOS has it's moments (teachers sabbatical) but they are 'quantum' in length. The only entire scene that is good to watch is the PTS and that's only because of the music and car sounds. Opera scene is also good but doesn't have that enjoyable feeling I get when watching other Bond scenes
Agreed @w2Bond. Another example I quote is TND. A weaker, shallower film than QoS? Probably - but it just has some more memorable, more entertaining scenes. Namely the sequence with Bond and Dr Kaulfman.
<font color=blue size=7><b>Pierce Brosnan was at his most Fleming-esque in DAD.</b></font>
D-I-S-A-G-R-E-E. It isn't good that I can't even think of a moment when he was Fleming-esque. I'll get back to you.
"No owls in Los Organos...nothing to see 'till the morning...not out there anyway" (rolls tongue)
"I've beem missing the touch of a good woman" (while joyfully shagging for the first time in 14 months)
I can imagine him thinking "I've got to say crap dialogue so I'm going to have fun with it"
Fleming's character was hardly Mr Nice or Mr Subtle when it came to women. He virtuallly leers at Honey Rider when she comes out of the water (in the book she's naked) and forced himself on Patricia Feering in the TB book (also in the film).
Also, Brosnan smoked (a big fat cuban cigar) in DAD, something he didn't do in his earlier films (and something we've yet to see Craig do).
I'm not saying he's Fleming-esque all the way through (the last 40 minutes are about as far away as you can get) but nonetheless the Cuba sequence does provide some nice Fleming-y touches IMO. Calmly punching out a nemisis, shagging a woman he's just met, smoking the cuban cigar and drinking while waliking round Raoul's office.
I'm probably going to get shot for this but I agree
Agreed. It was a nice change after the whiny, metrosexual Brosnan Bond of TWINE. His cigar smoking, his "put your back into it, eh?" line to Miranda and his handling of Peaceful Fountains of Desire were refreshing returns to the pre-PC era of 007. DAD certainly contains my favorite Brosnan as Bond performance.
And brosnan was at his most flemming in DAD, yes. DAD would be great if they refilmed the iceland and finale scenes, and taken out the giant lazer and bad CGI.
Thesis #41: Dissgree
Agree with thesis #41.
Whoever is to blame for DAD its certainly not Pierce and I always feel a sense of pity for him when he surfs the tsunami and really does his best to sell it when the director must have been shouting in his ear ‘Come on Pierce love theres a tsunami right on your heels. I know its only green screen at the moment but trust me this is going to look spectacular once we put the CGI in.’