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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,287
    Mildly disagree. Serra's is the worst of the non-Barry/non-Arnold scores. Arnold may have played it too safe, but I believe the producers wanted that after their Serra experiment.
  • 6of16of1
    Posts: 63
    PrinceKamalKhan wrote:
    6of1 wrote:
    Well, bit of a cop out there, isn't it? Which film wouldn't benefit from a Barry score?

    How is it a "cop out"? From what I read, Barry was originally offered the opportunity to score GE but MGM/UA couldn't meet his price. Even if Barry had never scored any Bond film, I still am not a fan of Serra's score.


    And you needn't be a fan of Serra's. It's just that Barry could hardly be topped. Even if you were a fan of Serra Barry is still a different league.
  • VirageVirage
    Posts: 1,856
    No, everyone says " oh electronic soundtrack." But theirs very little of it in the film!
  • 00130013
    Posts: 1,817
    Though I prefer symphonical soundtracks, I feel Serra's GE is very appropiate for the movie (including the non-Serra's Bond theme at the tank chase).
  • bondbat007bondbat007
    Posts: 1,407
    I've said this before. I'm not a huge fan of the score but I honestly can't imagine GE without it. And I love the film...
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited March 2012 Posts: 12,837
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Completely disagree. Craig and Dench actually have a character dynamic. One that I assume will continue into Skyfall. Plus they're both good actors playing off of eachtother whereas Brosnan didn't deserve to share screentime with Dench.

    And once again, needless brosnan bashing. You could've just said you thought craig and dench worked better together because of the character dynamic, but then you had to go on and insult brosnan. What's the point??? I hate how if you say one negative thing about craig you get people jumping in and telling you how awesome CR was and how skyfall will be the best thing ever, but talking bad about brosnan for no reason is ok, right??? its pathetic.

    044- I actually enjoy brosnan and dench more because in craig/dench she's too much like a mum and the whole trust thing just got boring. And she takes up too much screentime, M is bonds boss who sits behind a desk and gives him the missions. It was original in TWINE but the craig era has really overused dench, one of the reasons I'm still unsure about skyfall is because of the M focused plot.

    046- disagree. GE would still have been good.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    edited March 2012 Posts: 1,778
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Completely disagree. Craig and Dench actually have a character dynamic. One that I assume will continue into Skyfall. Plus they're both good actors playing off of eachtother whereas Brosnan didn't deserve to share screentime with Dench.

    And once again, needless brosnan bashing. You could've just said you thought craig and dench worked better together because of the character dynamic, but then you had to go on and insult brosnan. What's the point??? I hate how if you say one negative thing about craig you get people jumping in and telling you how awesome CR was and how skyfall will be the best thing ever, but talking bad about brosnan for no reason is ok, right??? its pathetic.

    044- I actually enjoy brosnan and dench more because in craig/dench she's too much like a mum and the whole trust thing just got boring. And she takes up too much screentime, M is bonds boss who sits behind a desk and gives him the missions. It was original in TWINE but the craig era has really overused dench, one of the reasons I'm still unsure about skyfall is because of the M focused plot.

    046- disagree. GE would still have been good.

    Im sorry you're offended @thelivingroyale as you seem like a cool person but it's my opinon and Im entitled to it. I see alot of Craig bashing too but I don't go around telling people what they can and can't say. With all due respect.

    As far as thesis #46 goes I don't think I've disagreed with any of the thesis' as much as this one. Serra's score is the biggest negative of a pretty decent Bond film. An improved score might even bumped it up a few places in my view.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    It really isn't that bad. In fact I think its a rather good score. Like I said just the other day I was having trouble sleeping and put the "same passions" track on my ipod. It helped no end and always makes me smile a bit.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    He added a lot to the feel of the film, so I would agree with this. Even if you did like the film, he gave GoldenEye it's sound that's for certain.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited March 2012 Posts: 28,694
    THESIS 45: I thought it was pretty obvious Blofeld was done for. The flaw was that he didn't die in a fight with Bond, face to face, like the original plan was. Tisk tisk. [-X

    Thesis 46: Disagree
  • LudsLuds MIA
    edited March 2012 Posts: 1,986
    Serra's score was satisfactory, nowhere near as nice as any Barry though. Serra's tracks were decent as a movie score, quite interesting use of percussion. It falls flat stand alone when listening to it without the flick. Depends who would have replaced Serra. If it were Arnold's typical techno rubbish, well certainly it would have been a negative impact, but I'm sure plenty of composers could have done a similar job.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    I wouldnt say it falls flat on it's own Luds. In the case of The Experience of Love yes but most of them are quite nice to listen to on their own. I have the soundtrack.

    It is however near impossible to not picture the movie in ur head though.
  • WVPoefWVPoef
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    ;)
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I wouldnt say it falls flat on it's own Luds. In the case of The Experience of Love yes but most of them are quite nice to listen to on their own. I have the soundtrack.

    It is however near impossible to not picture the movie in ur head though.

    Having adored his work on Leon I was very excited when Serra was announced but the end result is, at best, average.

    The gunbarrel is atrocious. I see on other threads people rating it as the one of the best but I just dont see how. I cant even hear the Bond theme just a series of low rumbles.

    I find the music during the DB5 v Ferarri chase horrendously cheesy and better suited to a 70s porn film. The rest of the film is serviceable but the end credits song is an absolute abortion. I think its even worse than Another Way To Die which at least had a crack at the Bond sound.
    Its a relief that during the tank chase someone at the studio or EON decided enough was enough and to bring in a proper blast of the Bond theme

    I cant understand what went through his head writing The Experience Of Love. OK he had maybe been passed over by the studio for the title song but this is your one chance to write a Bond song and also to show them what they were missing. See how Arnold took on the challenge with TND for how to do it. It strikes me that he had this song tucked away somewhere and it was so bad he couldnt even use it as a B side and then at the last minute EON said we need you to write an end credits song. As he had already got his hands on the money he just tossed them this pile of crap and was out of there.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    I like the GE gunbarrel :(



    Although I agree with you (kind of) on The Experience of Love.

    What is wrong with the "Ladies First" theme? Its cheesey and it sounds sleazy, kind of like the scene its attached to which is a big penis contest between two free spirits. Against the loud reving of the cars it works fine.

    I like to listen to it when I drive sometimes.
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    edited March 2012 Posts: 401

    These 4 minutes alone make Serra's score worth it. I agree with the thesis.
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Im sorry you're offended @thelivingroyale as you seem like a cool person but it's my opinon and Im entitled to it. I see alot of Craig bashing too but I don't go around telling people what they can and can't say. With all due respect.
    I barely see anyone on here bash Craig. Also, don't use the old "it's my opinion" line. Just because it's your opinion, doesn't mean it can't be a shit one.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    Dr_Metz wrote:

    These 4 minutes alone make Serra's score worth it. I agree with the thesis.

    .
    I barely see anyone on here bash Craig. Also, don't use the old "it's my opinion" line. Just because it's your opinion, doesn't mean it can't be a shit one.[/quote]

    Be careful there. I disagree with a fair bit of what doubleooh says but he IS perfectly entitled to voice what he thinks. No opinion here is "shit".

  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    edited March 2012 Posts: 401
    BAIN123 wrote:
    No opinion here is "shit".
    Some are.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    No opinion here is "shit".
    Some are.

    Perhaps lol but it doesn't mean they can't express them.
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    Posts: 401
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Perhaps lol but it doesn't mean they can't express them.
    Unfortunately, that's true.

  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    Posts: 1,778
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    No opinion here is "shit".
    Some are.

    Hold on I didn't say that. Please don't make up quotes.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,715
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    No opinion here is "shit".
    Some are.

    Hold on I didn't say that. Please don't make up quotes.

    No, but BAIN123 said that... Dr Metz just mixed the 2 usernames by accident....

  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited March 2012 Posts: 14,568
    RE: THESIS 046 - GE wouldn't have been as good without Serra composing the score.

    Agreed. The unique sound adds to the atmosphere of the film. Love every bit of it.
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    edited March 2012 Posts: 401
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Hold on I didn't say that. Please don't make up quotes.
    I fixed it. You don't need to be pissy. I obviously didn't make that up, if you read what BAIN123 wrote before my post.

  • LudsLuds MIA
    edited March 2012 Posts: 1,986
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    No opinion here is "shit".
    Some are.

    Yeah but we need the Brosnan fans on a Bond website too ;)

  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    edited March 2012 Posts: 1,778
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Hold on I didn't say that. Please don't make up quotes.
    I fixed it. You don't need to be pissy. I obviously didn't make that up, if you read what BAIN123 wrote before my post.

    Im not being "pissy". Im just making a request. You and I had a bit of a war of words some time back so I wasn't sure what to think.

    In any event I agree with Bain. No one's opinion here is "shit" and Im not sure who you think you are @Dr_Metz to say otherwise. We're all fans here and no one's opinion is more important than anyone else's. I can't stand Brosnan but I'd never look down on anyone for it. It's a matter of taste.

    I suppose now I am getting pissy but only because that was an insulting thing to say anout the users on this board.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,172
    Very interesting debate, this. A joy to read!

    Moving on,

    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 047</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>LTK's restrictive rating was an undeserved case of overreacting.</b></font>
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    Posts: 1,778
    I agree. By 1989 very few action/adventure films were PG anymore. Temple of Doom and Gremlins changed that with the PG-13 rating. Looking back had the PG-13 been around during the 60s and 70s alot of the Bond films probably would've had that rating. Honestly it probably should've started with TLD instead.
  • LudsLuds MIA
    Posts: 1,986
    No doubt about it. The standards have changed, but the R rating made it seem as it was a grossly over the top array of violence. Watching the film now, it's hard to understand why this was done.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    Posts: 1,778
    Luds wrote:
    No doubt about it. The standards have changed, but the R rating made it seem as it was a grossly over the top array of violence. Watching the film now, it's hard to understand why this was done.

    Here in the US it was released as PG-13. It was cut to avoid an R rating. The ultimate edition dvd is the full version and I wouldn't say it deserves an R rating.
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