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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Jones' Thunderball is nowhere near the best in terms of Bond theme intros but I wouldn't swap it with anyone, I'd much rather have that than the Kiss Bang effort
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited March 2012 Posts: 2,629
    Tom is indeed the man. If I was a woman, I would throw my undergarments to Tom.

    Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was a perfect fit for the club scene where Fiona met her demise. Tom's Thunderball did a great job in setting up that epic feel that the film delivered.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Said it before but I haven't seen Thunderball for ages now, there's a second hand store I know that often has James Bond films on special offer and I picked up a handful of titles in recent months I didn't possess, but as of yet, no Thunderball. You Only Live Twice is another that is missing from my collection (probably intentionally) but if I see either title, I'll make a grab for 'em
  • 00130013
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    Disagree... TB is a great song by Tom Jones. And I love Cash's Thunderball, not as a Bond theme but as a Cash song! (By the way, I'm big fan of the Man in Black and perhaps, if I'm not alone here, we can open a discussion).
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited March 2012 Posts: 3,262
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 049</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Mister Kiss Kiss Bang Bang would have been a better title song than Thunderball.</b></font>

    Disagree. Tom Jones belting out TB is a perfect way to start the film. It's like an anthem to Bond which is partially why it's my favorite Bond title song. Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is good also and Barry's instrumentals of it nicely underscore Bond's scenes with Domino and Fiona. However, EON made the right decision with the Jones classic as TB's main title song.
  • KennonKennon
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    Both foine songs, TB could work with either for the titles. Still prefer the more famous TB, Jones just is the tiger and a cool cat.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Mr KKBB is terrific but as a title song may be more suited to a Casino Royale type spoof.
  • VolanteVolante
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    Love both the songs and TB is my favourite Bond film. But Thunderball probably suits the film better overall. It was the biggest and most extravagant Bond to date at the time, it needed a big and extravagant theme song. Tom Jones did that justice.
  • slyfoxslyfox
    edited March 2012 Posts: 940
    Volante wrote:
    Love both the songs and TB is my favourite Bond film. But Thunderball probably suits the film better overall. It was the biggest and most extravagant Bond to date at the time, it needed a big and extravagant theme song. Tom Jones did that justice.

    Very well said @Volante. I share all your thoughts on this one.

    Both great songs, but Tom Jones' powerful vocals set the tone of the movie to perfection and also the traits of Largo well.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 050 (woohoo!)</b></font>

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    <font color=blue size=7><b>50 years of Bond films is an achievement that no other film franchise can compete with.</b></font>
  • KennonKennon
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    Yes, definitely. At least for the time being. If one day they stop doing the films most other franchises would still have to go on for two or more decades to come close. And things like Tarzan, Flash Gordon and so on can't really claim to be present for so long. Star Wars will one day see remakes and expansion beyond Lucas but that also lay dormant for decades. So Bond will probably remain the longest going series.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited March 2012 Posts: 4,515
    049

    I disagree. Of course also because Tom Jones did it, but the lyrics of Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang not fit and that already start with the title. In specialy for a movie who be so weak. Also the song from Jones is faster, Basey is to slow. Another one from Bassey after GF is mabey to fast and the song is not strong enough.

    Whyle Bassey be re-jected for QOS, mabey we can hear the song she did for end of Skyfall or Bond 24. 'No good about goodbye' is a better song then Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    I agree, but in the future we must consider that Batman and Marvel-Comic movies will be remade over and over again, though probably not by the same producers.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    So far, of course. I do wonder in the future though if something like Transformers will get that far. Afterall, they're not going to stop making them...
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Agree! It has long been established this is the case. When you look at how super hero stories are being told all over again! Like Batman, Superman and Spiderman. There are no repeats in terms of Bond!

    If you look at official EON outings there is always a new adventure each time we see him, forgetting the spat with Mclory and NSNA. It's always set in modern times and reflects events of the day and times we live in. We do not need to see Bond remakes!
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    The reason Bond can continue to go on and on unlike other films is there is always someone else getting involved and too much studio input. The films are never made by the same people.

    So I suppose love or hate them, you've got the Broccoli's to thank for Bond's success.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    James Bond would appear to be the longest running film franchise thus far and I can't see no end in the immediate future. It's an area that is not only recognized globally but both young and old can enjoy it. Bottom line is thesis would seem factual and correct
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited March 2012 Posts: 3,262
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 050 (woohoo!)</b></font>

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    <font color=blue size=7><b>50 years of Bond films is an achievement that no other film franchise can compete with.</b></font>

    Agreed. Tell George Lucas to call us when Star Wars has survived for 50 years and 22 films.
  • VirageVirage
    Posts: 1,856
    No other film series HAS turned 50.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
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    Yes, the reason it has worked is because of the formula.

    Bond films play out like episodic serials. The Bond archetypte is firmly established. The basic characters are established and can re-occur: Bond, M, Q, Moneypenny, Felix (at times)...But each adventure can vary a bit: there's always a new leading lady, a villain, location, a variation to Bond's vehicle and gadgets: the possibilities are endless with these elements. Yet there is a consistency in production crew throughout, therefore it always has felt like there has been a mark of quality with each film (which is why NSNA felt a little off). Bond every 2-4 years is like the Olympics; always an exciting event to anticipate. No other movie series has that.
  • bondbat007bondbat007
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    Do I think there will be another Batman film in 50 years? Yes I do. But that doesn't cut it in my book. Bond has never stopped running. Batman has. Even for the 6 year period of no films for Bond, there was always a plan to make another one. So no I do not think any other film franchise will reach this milestone in the same manner as Bond
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    It is definitely an accolade worth its weight in gold, and how many franchises can say they are 50 years old and going strong?? Bond has given us decades of fun(some more than others), and Bond and his compadres are all household names because of it. Some of the finest cinematic work to this day has been in Bond films, as well as jaw-dropping stuntwork and direction. Though the number of films you've had doesn't coincide with quality, Bond has been a cinematic legend for half a century, and that is surely something to bark about. ;)

    Congrats on the 50th thesis as well. I enjoy these little debates.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Even if the series one day does run out of steam or the rights leave EON Bond will go on for ages. Period piece remakes of the Fleming books, remakes of the original films, totally new adventures. Not sure how good they will be but like Sherlock Holmes and Batman we'll get many different incaranations some good some bad.

    Sorry to say that new Bond films will come out long afte I'm dead and buried and I'll never get to see them.
  • slyfoxslyfox
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    "In a word, yes."
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    YES!!
  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    edited March 2012 Posts: 401
    Thesis 49: God no, the song we got was perfect. Tom Jones was a great choice.
    Thesis 50: Well, duh. This isn't really much of a thesis. There are really no other franchises, save for Star Trek, that have lasted as long as the James Bond franchise.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Dr_Metz wrote:
    This isn't really much of a thesis. There are really no other franchises, save for Star Trek, that have lasted as long as the James Bond franchise.

    Actually, the Japanese surpass Bond from a strictly numerical perspective. The Godzilla franchise, omitting the '98 Emmerich film, has thus far spawned no less than 28 films (!) since 1954 and is still on-going. While their quality can be debated, they are technically the longest running film franchise in movie history, both in terms of years and of output. ;-)

  • Dr_MetzDr_Metz
    edited March 2012 Posts: 401
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Actually, the Japanese surpass Bond from a strictly numerical perspective. The Godzilla franchise, omitting the '98 Emmerich film, has thus far spawned no less than 28 films (!) since 1954 and is still on-going. While their quality can be debated, they are technically the longest running film franchise in movie history, both in terms of years and of output. ;-)
    I forgot about Godzilla. The only films I really liked were the ones where Godzilla battled Mechagodzilla. Although, I haven't seen those films in a long time, and some I haven't seen at all, so my opinion on the Godzilla series might not be as refined as it could be.

  • VolanteVolante
    edited March 2012 Posts: 774
    My opinion on Thesis 50:

    James Bond > All.
  • WVPoefWVPoef
    Posts: 147
    Bond James Bond may it last another 50 years.
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