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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Master_Dahark wrote:
    Hmmmm, you know I'm ashamed to say I have no idea what Ursula actually sounds like! I've seen her in recent interviews but that hardly counts....
    I have not seen CR'67- she's not dubbed in that? I will have to finally sit down and watch it. I bet she has a hot accent!

    You can hear it at the beginning of this clip:



  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 057</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>'Curing' a lesbian in GF was not an insult to the gay community.</b></font>
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 057</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>'Curing' a lesbian in GF was not an insult to the gay community.</b></font>
    Is that how Fleming put it in the novel?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I don't think so... I have gay friends and I never saw them go up in arms with Connery curing Pussy Galore... no what causes a much bigger problem is the butt-slap in Miami... show it to any feminist you know and she'll throw your TV out the window.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    and she'll throw your TV out the window.

    That'll buy her an even bigger slap!

    :-L
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    It would have to be some woman to throw TVs out windows. Well I've never seen such an instance in my defense although a portable is feasible

    Also, thesis is correct I think, there was no harm done

  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    thesis 56: i would agree with. I think if they had gone with her own voice? She may have struggled to be understood in certain parts of the world?

    thesis 57: If you had not read the novel? I guess it was never an issue to begin with?
  • bondbat007bondbat007
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    I'm have a family member who is a lesbian and her exact words are "even I'd go for Sean Connery in his Bond days". Which besides the joke I take it that it's not taken very seriously in the gay community. So yes I agree with this thesis
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    bondbat007 wrote:
    I'm have a family member who is a lesbian and her exact words are "even I'd go for Sean Connery in his Bond days". Which besides the joke I take it that it's not taken very seriously in the gay community. So yes I agree with this thesis

    Did Connery ever say 'there, I've cured you'? I don't believe even the film comes out and says it (though its evident). Unless someone looked REAL hard into it, which who better than a lesbian, they'd see it. But I don't think its insulting. Its in the vein of a joke. Bond gets who he wants.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Lesbian or not, I wouldn't have been interested in Ms Galore at all. She's without question one of the most blandest, mundane Bond 'girls' of the series. Not that attractive either. Of course Honor Blackman is a wonderful actress and lovely lady but there you are
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I'm sure the gay community understood that no one- straight or gay could resist ConneryBond's charm, prowess and sheer magnetism.

    Agree.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Yeah, Dink getting spanked was more bothersome than Pussy getting "cured".

    Then again, Pussy didn't exactly voluntarily "switch sides" either.

    Agree with the thesis.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Are we referring to the film or the book?

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I believe, Bain, that both could count although Pussy's homosexuality was, I presume, more obvious in the novel.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2012 Posts: 11,189
    DarthDimi wrote:
    I believe, Bain, that both could count although Pussy's homosexuality was, I presume, more obvious in the novel.

    Yes it was. I think the reason for her becoming a lesbian (which is explained in the last few lines of the book) was because she was abused by her father as a child. Have you not read GF?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    I believe, Bain, that both could count although Pussy's homosexuality was, I presume, more obvious in the novel.

    Yes it was. I think the reason for her becoming a lesbian (which is explained in the last few lines of the book) was because she was abused by her father as a child. Have you not read GF?

    No one has answered my question yet: Does the book actually say that Pussy was 'cured'?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Not explicitly but it's fairly obvious she ultimately yields to Bond. ;-)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited March 2012 Posts: 28,694
    I think I'd still agree, no matter the circumstance. Part of the fun of the films and books to some extent is seeing how far they went in pushing the controversial, and it is funny to watch the films of the 60s and see just how much has changed according to what is considered PC.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 058</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The LTK reference to Bond's marriage was a stroke of genius.</b></font>
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Agreed. A very good scene.

    "He was married once...but it was a long time ago".
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I think it was. Given his age about the time of OHMSS and in LTK, I think Dalton's Bond could just about get away with a reference to Tracy.

    Thesis 58: Agree.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Agree whole heartedly with this thesis! A great scene played out by all concerned. Little touches like that are most welcome and i think appreciated by the loyal fans in particular. It could also encourage new fans to watch OHMSS? Which i would highly recommend they do anyway!
  • 0iker00iker0
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    Agree, it ecourages to watch OHMSS to everyone who hasn't... The only Bond touch, with the PTS, in the film, it's down in my list just above Moonraker and DAD
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    I believe, Bain, that both could count although Pussy's homosexuality was, I presume, more obvious in the novel.

    Yes it was. I think the reason for her becoming a lesbian (which is explained in the last few lines of the book) was because she was abused by her father as a child. Have you not read GF?

    I have, twice.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    0iker0 wrote:
    Agree, it ecourages to watch OHMSS to everyone who hasn't... The only Bond touch, with the PTS, in the film, it's down in my list just above Moonraker and DAD

    You mean, aside from the LALD plotlines (including the note "He disagreed with something that ate him") and the Krest character from THR?

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Given the time between the films, it was a very well done tip of the hat to whoever put in it there.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    THESIS 058: The LTK reference to Bond's marriage was a stroke of genius.

    I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a 'stroke of genius'- considering we've seen references to his marriage/wife before (TSWLM, FYEO). However, the way it was executed is very good- so yes, I'll agree with this thesis.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 058</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The LTK reference to Bond's marriage was a stroke of genius.</b></font>

    Agree. Dalton played it excellently.

  • 0iker00iker0
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    echo wrote:
    0iker0 wrote:
    Agree, it ecourages to watch OHMSS to everyone who hasn't... The only Bond touch, with the PTS, in the film, it's down in my list just above Moonraker and DAD

    You mean, aside from the LALD plotlines (including the note "He disagreed with something that ate him") and the Krest character from THR?
    I didn't remember those, however, I do remember that this film didn't feel like a BOND movie, just an action movie. It's the story of the american police officer (in this case british secret agent) taken out of the case because it's too personal, however, he resigns and continues with the case and solves it killing the bad guy, who had killed a friend of his... IMO the film is good, but lacks the Bond feeling...

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Of course. Adds a human layer to Bond, and it disproves the theory that Bond is simply a name passed down to MI6's best agent. Agree.
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