The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I should add that I don't smoke, but I still think Bond should smoke. I'm not expecting Craig to risk his health by light up a real cigarette, but aren't there cigarettes made especially for movie making purposes? I want Bond to have his vices, and indulge in them, knowing that he could die today, tomorrow or next week. Just give me the illusion of Bond smoking, i'd be satisfied with that.
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    Don't forget though that it wasn't all THAT long ago since we last saw Bond smoke. Remember PB with that fat cigar in DAD?
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    10 years ago. I want to see Bond smoke in every film (be it at the casino, during the m briefing etc...) not once every 10 years.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    Agreed. Also, kids have to learn that what happens on screen, stays on screen. I'm sure they are exposed to a lot worse than what the Bonds have to offer. And besides, those who easily pick up smoking from watching 'role models' do it, will end up with the habit sooner or later. Lastly, are those kids prohibited from watching DN or OHMSS? The very introduction of 007 in those films occurs during a close-up of Bond lighting one up.

    Smoking looks cool. Terrible for your body, but still looks cool, as DN and OHMSS show.

    I like Bond having vices, within reason. Drugs never, obviously, that would be completely wrong and would probably turn me off Bond as a whole. But a vodka martini with a one-off cigarette or a whiskey with a cigar. As Sean and George can attest, very suave. Fleming's Bond loved smoking, I think it should come back, but to an extent. Not a cigarette in every scene, but something similar to Brosnan's habits as Bond.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Agreed. I find it appalling that the PC-nazis are destroying Bond.
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    10 years ago. I want to see Bond smoke in every film (be it at the casino, during the m briefing etc...) not once every 10 years.

    True, but in fairness we've only had 2 films since 2002. Maybe he'll light up in SF ;)

    As a non-smoker I'm personally not too bothered Bond doesn't smoke. As long as he gets to do other things like drink, shag and drive fast cars I'm fine :)

    Fleming wrote Bond at a time when smoking WAS cool. Now it isn't.
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    The top 3 Bonds have all smoked a cigar (Connery in NSNA). That´s the spirit.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    True, but in fairness we've only had 2 films since 2002. Maybe he'll light up in SF ;)

    Forget it mate - not going to happen. And the only reason they got away with it in DAD was because he was in Cuba so its sort of like the being a tourist - its the thing you do.

    I still cringe at the end titles of LTK with its painfully PC drivel about smoking. But I would be happy for the end credits to have this on every time if it meant Bond could have a fag. I think Dalton got the balance right in TLD - not in every scene but looked cool lighting up in the debriefing scene with M and Koskov.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Dalton looked cool lighting up in the debriefing scene with M and Koskov.

    Indeed he did ! He was very cool in that scene. I wish Craig could have a similar scene... with Fiennes as M of course !!

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    BAIN123 wrote:
    True, but in fairness we've only had 2 films since 2002. Maybe he'll light up in SF ;)

    Forget it mate - not going to happen.

    I can live with that. I don't smoke anyway. (please don't crucify me).
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    True, but in fairness we've only had 2 films since 2002. Maybe he'll light up in SF ;)

    Forget it mate - not going to happen.

    I can live with that. I don't smoke anyway. (please don't crucify me).

    I don't smoke either and I can't stand it when Bond doesn't smoke !!!

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    It is a sign of the times that the "rebooted" 007 doesn't smoke, I can not see him being so bloody athletic as he has been in the recent movies and really smoke.

    I find that the legacy of Fleming is still very intact with James Bond 007 still walking around and having many exciting adventures. If Fleming where still alive he wouldn't have minded his creation stop smoking. As it was really normal to do so in the '60's and less nowadays when the dangers are well known. And a professional like 007 would not be smoking these days.
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    If Bond would smoke, it would be so archaic. Why not to DC's Bond start to spy USSR, why not take a computer with MS-DOS. And why not to drive AM Vantage?
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    "Filthy habit" - sorry couldn't resist, but sums up my thoughts
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    I don't smoke either and I can't stand it when Bond doesn't smoke !!!

    Absolutely
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    I don't smoke either and I can't stand it when Bond doesn't smoke !!!

    Rog didn't smoke in most of his films DC and yet you love him ;)

  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Disagree. It's merely adjusting to the times. Smoking is nowhere near as socially acceptable today as it was 50-60 years ago.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 068</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Bond's recent non-smoking phase puts a stain on Fleming's legacy.</b></font>

    A non-smoking Bond is certainly not the character Ian Fleming wrote. I would be surprised if the average real life womanizing assassin would refuse to smoke.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I don't smoke either and I can't stand it when Bond doesn't smoke !!!

    Rog didn't smoke in most of his films DC and yet you love him ;)

    Even for Sir Rog, it was wrong. Bond should smoke atleast once in each outing.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I think one would be surprised of Rog's smoking. LALD and TMWTGG gave us the cigar. TSWLM had the scene of Roger pulling out a leiter, twice (which at least if nothing else hints at a smoking habit) and in OP we see Bond and 8Pussy lighting up as well. Could be that I'm missing something in MR, FYEO and AVTAK.
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    I don´t mind the smoking much, but Moore sure looked cool smoking a cigar. Same with Connery in NSNA.
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    I especially enjoyed the smoking a big fat cigar whilst handgliding, very gratious smoking action!
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    I especially enjoyed the smoking a big fat cigar whilst handgliding, very gratious smoking action!

    How about in TMWTGG, outside of Bottoms Up? Or when Hip is standing on Bond´s shoulders outside Hai Fat´s garden? Those and the handgliding are cool.

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Yeah, would one cigarette every other film really hurt? I don't think so.
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    Dalton looked cool lighting up in the debriefing scene with M and Koskov.

    Another awesome Dalton moment.


    068- I don't really care if he smokes or not, but I don't see why he shouldn't. I used to smoke but that's because I chose to, not because I saw somebody in a film do it. So I doubt if James Bond smoked then people would say "wow, James Bond is smoking, I have to smoke now too!!!"

    Barely anyone is that stupid, and since it's something the character has always done, I don't see why he has to stop now.
  • edited April 2012 Posts: 5,745
    If we look at the amount of alcohol Craig has consumed in just two films, I think I'll have to disagree.

    Smoking didn't add anything to the character in the first place, thus it has taken nothing away. Perhaps it was Craig's choice not to involve it, but its one of those things that isn't always necessary in a script.

    Bond drinks enough to make up for what the smoke would do :)
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
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    I don't neccesairily think bond has to smoke, you can't smoke indoors in most places these days anyway so can't imagine bond in the mi6 smoking hut . I don't even think Craig's bond has had time to smoke either , i would much rarther bond get smashed on a flight than smoke, that maybe because I'd rarther do that thou as I don't smoke lol.
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    disagree. Just because he does not smoke now has no reflection in anyway? If you agree then you coukd apply the same logic to how SC's Bond use to smack women's bottoms ....etc. And most importantly there is the recognised fact that there are health risks.
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    Agree. And this is coming from someone who doesn't smoke. But Bond's lack of smoking isn't the worst thing they could do to him. I'd be alot more offended if they made him stop drinking.
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    Sorry I haven't been keeping up with the these... but here's a few all at once!

    THESIS 066
    Sean Connery was most bored playing Bond in YOLT.


    I will agree, BUT, upon a more recent viewing we certainly wasn't sleepwalking by any means. It was not a tenth as bad as I remembered and YOLT even went up a few notches on my ranking!

    Make no mistake, Sean was getting sick of the same old routine-- and if they had gone with OHMSS in 1967 and given Sean new things to try he may have been more enthusiastic about hanging around. Of course that's just a guess though. I think that regardless what film came after Thunderball, Sean was itching for a break.

    But yes, while he still wasn't bad, Sean was definitely the most bored in YOLT.
    THESIS 067
    The LTK revenge plot would never have been played off successfully by Roger Moore.


    I know I poked a bit of fun on ol' Rog in the Parodies thread (shots of the serious parts of TLD & LTK, but with Rog photoshopped in with extra ridiculous one-liners) but here are my serious thoughts on it.
    Alright, age is an issue now. If he played his age (learned from AVTAK) then I could see it, definitely. It would be exciting to see Roger tackle some new stuff: real revenge, going rogue, etc. It would have made a fantastic final movie when I think about it!
    I'll just come out and say it- I'd have loved to see how Rog would have handled this movie! And this is coming from a hardcore Dalton fan!

    THESIS 068
    Bond's recent non-smoking phase puts a stain on Fleming's legacy.

    I don't think smoking makes or breaks Bond-- it's annoying when people try to make Bond 'politically correct'. They tried something different in TLD with Bond just settling down with one woman, and after that movie Bond was back to his usual self. I have a feeling we'll see Bond smoke again soon enough.
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