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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Disagree. It won't!
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    As they say, anything is possible. I believe that this theory is a pure toss-up, for one, we really don't know what will happen since it hasn't come out yet, and number two, there have been other financial failures, like OHMSS and TMWTGG, yet the series came back with slam-bang entries on each, the first bringing back Connery, and the second pulling out all of the stops to become a real classic. I doubt that SF will be a failure first and foremost, because it seems to me like there's attention to time and detail here with this crew and cast, and with the prolonged time period, much like the unusual gaps between TMWTGG-TSWLM and LTK-GE, the end result of the waiting has always been worth it.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @00Beast is OHMSS and TMWTGG are failures, I don't know what you call LTK, which made far less than these 2 films.......
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    @00Beast is OHMSS and TMWTGG are failures, I don't know what you call LTK, which made far less than these 2 films.......

    I forgot about LTK actually, and you're right, it was a financial flop as well, unfortunately. OHMSS and TMWTGG were just the first two to come to mind for examples!
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    00Beast wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    @00Beast is OHMSS and TMWTGG are failures, I don't know what you call LTK, which made far less than these 2 films.......

    I forgot about LTK actually, and you're right, it was a financial flop as well, unfortunately. OHMSS and TMWTGG were just the first two to come to mind for examples!

    But it didn't deserve to be!
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    @00Beast is OHMSS and TMWTGG are failures, I don't know what you call LTK, which made far less than these 2 films.......

    I forgot about LTK actually, and you're right, it was a financial flop as well, unfortunately. OHMSS and TMWTGG were just the first two to come to mind for examples!

    But it didn't deserve to be!

    Yeah I know, that was the most depressing factor, just knowing that it was so grand epic, yet the audience thought otherwise! Shame on them....
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited May 2012 Posts: 2,629
    echo wrote:
    Fascinating, Kerim. I didn't know that about Haiti.

    Do you think the GF PTS is Cuba? "Using heroin-flavored bananas to finance revolutions"? The proximity to Miami would also make sense.

    Are there other fake countries in Bond films that I'm forgetting?

    I'm here to share my wealth of knowledge. :)

    I'm actually reading this book called History's Monsters. I had a general knowledge of Duvalier before, but the book went in a little more depth on him. Long story short, Duvalier bankrupted his country, chased off the educated people of Haiti, had the cult of personality thing going and his decisions were heavily influenced by voodoo.

    I've always thought the GF PTS to be based in Mexico, but Cuba would certainly make sense. The only reason why I don't think it's Cuba is because I don't believe there have been any direct flights from Cuba to Miami for quite some time.

    Afterthought: Bond could have snuck his way back on Gitmo. Didn't think of that before.

    I don't believe there are any other fictional countries in the Bond franchise.

  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited May 2012 Posts: 2,629
    I just can't see SF failing at the box office. The first Bond film in four years, and what appears to be a good cast and storyline in place combined with the 50th anniversary of the franchise shoudl put the butts in the cinemas.

    After LTK bombed at the box office (through no fault of the film), EON was wise to move the release dates away from the summer blockbuster timeframe.

    Even if it does fail, Bond 24 has been slated and we will still have DC for at least one more film.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    00Beast wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    @00Beast is OHMSS and TMWTGG are failures, I don't know what you call LTK, which made far less than these 2 films.......

    I forgot about LTK actually, and you're right, it was a financial flop as well, unfortunately. OHMSS and TMWTGG were just the first two to come to mind for examples!

    None of them are flops because all three made ATLEAST triple their money back. Look it up. Im not sure what qualifies as a flop to some people but each and every Bond film made a healthy profit. With all due respect to you gents ofcourse. :)

    Real box office flops include the likes of Speed Racer, Green Lantern, Battlefield Earth, and most recently John Carter.
  • TouchMyButtonsTouchMyButtons Banned
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    license to kill blows any and all of Moore's outings away by a long shot. Regardless of the box office statistics. I understand that there are many on here who grew up with the Moore era, so there is a sentimental value there that I'll never be able to grasp, but in my opinion I just cannot comprehend the direction,writing,stunts and over all producing of any Moore's outings. Its as if during Moore's tenure Brocolli and the production team said, Let's just turn 007 into a old man comedy act with unrealistic stunts, poor writing and ridiculous villains. Okay Im starting to rant, but please acknowledge that I do appreciate Moore's tenure, because somehow and way, it did manage to keep the franchise alive and for that I'm thankful.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Whatever happens they'll be one more with Craig but as we know Skyfall will go the other way $600 million+ and beyond at the box office, easily. No worries.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Given the cast and what we know and have seen? And also the 4 year gap since QOS! There is no way Skyfall will fail! People will be very keen to see whats happened and is happening with Bond now? Disagree with thesis.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    I will see what happens in November with Bond23, I am cautious when it comes to this too pretentious era of 007 movies. The last one was hyped but not worth the admission-fee I had to pay. I was not the only one with that idea since the cinema was a lot emptier after the intermission. Which had not happened in his cinema with a 007 movie since LTK told the proprietor of said cinema.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 097</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Rosamund Pike would have been a fine Vesper in CR.</b></font>
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Nooooo way. She is awful.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited May 2012 Posts: 12,837
    I think she could've done it. She's a good actress and she's much hotter than Eva. But then DAD would be even worse, because she was one of the films good points.

    Agree
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Wow, @Getafix, I wouldn't call her awful. ;-) She's welcome to stay at my place though if now she needs a shoulder to cry on. :P
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    No, we would lose Eva, so it is an instant NO NO. Rosamund can't even light a candle to her.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited May 2012 Posts: 11,425


    I guess I am being harsh. I don't rate her that highly as an actress but she is not awful. Frost was however an awful chracter and RP did not put in a great performance IMO.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Disagree. Eva was magical casting; you don't get that kind of chemistry in Bond very often.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited May 2012 Posts: 2,629
    Absolutely not. The only reason Rosamund even stood out in DAD was because of the crap that surrounded her. Rosamund was the blossoming flower during a nuclear winter.

    Eva Green was a key factor in the magical ride that was Casino Royale. Traditional, yet modern. Passionate, yet resistant. Strong yet fragile. The role of Vesper was hardly one-dimensional and required several personality factors. Eva pulled it off brilliantly. IMHO, very few of Eva's predecessors could have pulled off the Vesper successfully, but Eva certainly did.

  • Signed_By_RogerMooreSigned_By_RogerMoore
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    Disagree

    Eva Green was amazing. The best thing in CR
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Eva Green did good but was handicapped or her hands were tied upon her back by the script, which butchered her role when compared to the novel. Vesper Lynd in the movie could have been much better and Green can not be blamed for that.

    Rosamund Pike could have done the same job probably.
  • myworldisenoughmyworldisenough
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    Eva Green was perfectly cast in CR. I agree though with SaintMark that her role could have been even more that it was. Her character deserved more and with CR there was so much to fit in I can prehaps understand the reasons it didn't go further with her character. Rosamund Pike was a highlight of DAD due to the fact she was great to look at and had promise. Shame her character was not as well written or utalised as some other Femme Fatalies of the classic series.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited May 2012 Posts: 4,520
    There are 2 things what i think be wrong with Vesper. First of all and my biggest problem be the development of the chacter, i found it dificult to believe there fall in love and only because of QOS i believe it a litle bit more from Bond his side. But as Bond him sel said The Bitch is dead and it look like it don't bother me whyle it should. The same thing iam thinking when i heard she betrated him and it be the third in a row Bond be betraid by a woman. With the name Vesper of course i should already know that but it take a whyle before i know what it mean.

    Second thing is and mabey that's also why i don't understand the first thing be Daniel Craig & Eva Green be behind the movie showing there don't give a dam about promotion the movie and there be not happy visit my country. So DC and Eva Green look like more a match together then Bond and Vesper on screen.

    Mabey it help a litle bit if there take another (and by prefer not again a France) actres. Some people sugest Olivia Wilde, iam not sjure or she have been a better Vesper ,but it help already i think she is better in interviews. But both actres are mabey to young for the part of Vesper in specialy because DC be 38 years old and Olivia be American 22 years old in 2006, whyle Green be 26. Mabey it also be a litle bit inporten to tell how old i whas in 2006, My age in 2006 whas 26 too, iam 25 days younger then Eva Green.

    Because of Vesper's name mean ''Wesp'' (male ''Bee'') in Dutch i don't think a blond girl should play her. For what it is worth, Pike whas 27 years old in 2006.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    myworldisenough wrote:
    Eva Green was perfectly cast in CR. I agree though with SaintMark that her role could have been even more that it was. Her character deserved more and with CR there was so much to fit in I can prehaps understand the reasons it didn't go further with her character. Rosamund Pike was a highlight of DAD due to the fact she was great to look at and had promise. Shame her character was not as well written or utalised as some other Femme Fatalies of the classic series.

    Many think there was more for Vesper, but there was more Vesper in the CR film than the actual novel, so I say mission successful CR2006.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    Disagree. Eva Green is a better actress and fits the role more.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I think in hindsight it was better that someone else got the part, someone who I felt was appropriate, Pike would not necessarily have been that if she had got the Vesper part in 2006, I wouldn't swap Green with anybody come to think of it, I think she did an adequate job

    Thesis is incorrect again
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Let's not forget that Eva did win the BAFTA Rising Star Award for her portrayal of Vesper.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Kerim wrote:
    Let's not forget that Eva did win the BAFTA Rising Star Award for her portrayal of Vesper.

    Agreed, @Kerim, but the question is not whether Rosamund would have been better than Eva. I was merely asking whether she would have been a fine Vesper. ;-)
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