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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I don't see it. I have seen CR more than any Bond film and I have never hit rewind and said to myself "HE LOOKS LIKE GOLDFINGER!". Just a costuming coincidence in my eyes.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    It's the clothes, the arrogance, and that he speaks German. Just a little nod to the past.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I never took any notice of it to be honest, it only got my attention or took on some relevance when people started jumping to conclusions. Auric Goldfinger was English anyway or at least British as we were told, it was only the Frobe actor who was German born so we understand. From a last viewing, he doesn't even resemble Goldfinger that much, Casino Royale was not an anniversary release so whatever we saw on screen was surely just coincidental, maybe there's a lot of large, Bavarian types who swagger around with German accents, I didn't read too much into it for sure
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    'Hallloo? Are you going to take this- or mek mee wait?'


    But about the thesis-- CR is absolutely a reboot. Matter of fact, I never thought there was any doubt!
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited June 2012 Posts: 15,723
    Master_Dahark wrote:
    CR is absolutely a reboot.

    For me it's a retcon like TLD and GE. a reboot would mean the previous 20 films 'didn't exist'..... you can't just disregard 20 films and 40 years of legacy.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    That's very true-- you certainly don't want to 'ignore' the old movies--- perhaps Carino Royale is a unique prequel? I mean we are now seeing how he became the Bond we know.

    Maybe I'm not as sure as I thought...
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    It's interesting to think about. It's sort-of a reboot.

    Casino Royale hinges off of what has already been set up by following many traditions of the franchise. It's the same character (supposedly), in the same reality and the same position of the previous 40 years, but at his beginning. You can think of it like

    Craig, and then Connery, and then Moore, etc. So CR is essentially if they made a series of Bond films before Connery's, looking at the character's beginnings. Not exactly a reboot because it relies of the first few, and takes certain elements set up by the films.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 113</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The record breaking stunts in the Bonds helped sell the films.</b></font>
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Very much so. The spectacular stunts are one of the main attractions of the Bond films.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I would say so, yes. And the stunts were seen as special, as was the rarity of films doing those types of dangerous stunts. Bond became know for them, and in turn sold the films, indeed.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I doubt the public knew the stunts were "record breaking", so that fact couldn't sell the films but advertsing top stunts, well, I think the public expect that anyway.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 2012 Posts: 6,393
    Agree.

    I think this became more of a selling point in the '70s, definitely with TSWLM but arguably starting with DAF. There were points in DAF-AVTAK where the stunts seemed to take precedence over the story.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I'm going to risk a backlash by declaring thesis is incorrect. I was never really that thrilled or left for words by some of the greater stunts of the series such as the Spy opening. Some people might be left in awe of such a thing but only one or two sequences really stood out for me in the series such as we have here like the jump off the dam in Goldeneye or the free fall opening in Moonraker. I don't feel right now, the greater stunts help sell any of the releases, Yes they were a bonus but maybe some weren't always swayed by such an event, maybe I'm rushing because in a bit of a hurry but that's how I feel about it
  • 00130013
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    T-133. They are a big asset. I don't think they alone sell tickets, but they are part of the distictive qualities of these film series.
  • VirageVirage
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    Mmmm good one, proberbly It helped in the early days but now just being a bond film is good enough.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Disagree i think? The reason i say that is because the stunts were done for REAL! So with that i think alot of the people in the audience would also go because of the danger involved to make the film what it is? So if a world record had been broken? It was a nice bonus, I don't think they went looking to see what records they could break?
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    They are an important part of the series hence all the moaning when one "stunt" was created with bargain basement CGI in DAD. (The outcry with the bad CGI plane jump stunt in QoS was non-existant. L-) )

    But there is more that belongs to the formula that makes a difference between Ethan Hunt, Jason Bourne & xXx.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited June 2012 Posts: 4,538
    If you mean with record breaking like ''yes''' to film on the thames and the millenium dome i say yes.

    I expect good stunts, not in specialy make the next one bigger then the previous one.

    For example the stunt in the libary of QOS is more Bond in my opnion then the airplane later in the movie or in DAD. The boat chase in QOS in my opnion is something that isn't realy needed/not record breaking.

  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 113</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The record breaking stunts in the Bonds helped sell the films.</b></font>

    Of course. The stuntmen are the unsung heroes of the Bond films.

  • JBFan626JBFan626
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 112</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>CR shouldn't be called a reboot because there's little continuity in the series anyway.</b></font>

    Sorry just catching up on these...

    I think DC007 has it right. A reboot is something like 2006 Incredible Hulk vs. 2003 Ang Lee Hulk, or this year's Amazing Spider Man vs. Toby Maguire Spiderman 1-3, or Zach Snyder's Superman, or Christopher Nolans Batman trilogy. They are complete re-imagining's of the the story, character and style. I guess you could say CR was different enough from DAD to appear to be a reboot, but it still acknowleges the past and still had some of the same crew carrying over from the Brosnan era. So agree with thesis, CR is not a reboot. The clo
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 113</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The record breaking stunts in the Bonds helped sell the films.</b></font>

    I think so. You never saw anything like the parachute off the cliff in Spy or the boat jump in LALD or the car flip in TMWTGG. Surely not the only thing, but certainly an element that was a hallmark of the series.

    How about that record-breaking glacier surf in DAD! That must have been really hard to pull off. Kudos to Brosnan for actually doing the stunt himself!

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 114</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The Craig Bonds aim at a more female audience than the Brosnans.</b></font>
  • WVPoefWVPoef
    edited June 2012 Posts: 147
    Thesis - 113
    Yes but not sure about the record breaking story. The only time I know the stunt was a record breaking stunt is after I watched the movie.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Of course! Do I need to link to the blue trunks pictures?! I'll do it!!!
  • WVPoefWVPoef
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 114</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The Craig Bonds aim at a more female audience than the Brosnans.</b></font>

    Yes and no.
    My wife rates them both hot but still think that Brosnan is hotter.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Is Craig more liked by females than Brosnan? If so, this may be a big part of his films being thought of 'aiming' more towards them.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
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    I think Barbara Broccoli has made it quite clear that the Craig films are aimed at the ladies.

    Reporter: "Daniel, will you be taking your shirt off in Skyfall?"
    Broccoli: "Yesss!!!!"
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Of course! Do I need to link to the blue trunks pictures?! I'll do it!!!

    Yes, but also at the gay folks I think. :D
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited June 2012 Posts: 12,837
    114. Here's a good example. In DAD, we had this.



    And in CR, one film later, this.



    Agree.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Ironically, DAD was directed by a gay man and CR by a straight man.

    Agree with the thesis.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 114</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>The Craig Bonds aim at a more female audience than the Brosnans.</b></font>

    Agree! And why not! It also means there are more female fans of the movies which is a real bonus for these forums! My better half says she is really excited about the new film! Probably due to his body! :)) But she really enjoyed CR and QOS so it will be another enjoyable evening out! :-bd As i will have to put up with Berenice! :x
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