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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    echo wrote:
    OHMSS has rain. "Mr. Bond is in love with you?"

    Indeed it did. Plus the rain in Casino Royale didn't add to any mood at all. It was barely on screen for five seconds.

    It isn't only in the scene where Bond and Vesper make love. It is also in the opening scene after the PTS and theme, when Le Chiffre, Mr. White, and Obanno meet up.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    I think it was definatly intentional. It's telling us that James Bond isn't in the sunlit world we're used to and has to deal with ramifications that actually carry on from one film to the next.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    echo wrote:
    OHMSS has rain. "Mr. Bond is in love with you?"

    Indeed it did. Plus the rain in Casino Royale didn't add to any mood at all. It was barely on screen for five seconds.

    It isn't only in the scene where Bond and Vesper make love. It is also in the opening scene after the PTS and theme, when Le Chiffre, Mr. White, and Obanno meet up.

    So it was. I should have known that, I only saw Casino Royale yesterday.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
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    I don't even know what to say about that last one. It's sort of a non-issue. Lots of films don't feature rain simply because it's better to shoot during a clear bright day. Unless the script specifically calls for rain, why feature it? I don't think there is anything deeper to read into it.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    edited June 2012 Posts: 4,813
    I feel the same way, about it being a non-issue. Reminds me of this funny pic I saw a while back (and I've felt this way many times in High School and College)

    A link since there's language (just the 'F' word, no biggie)

    http://i.imgur.com/06v3b.png
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Master_Dahark wrote:
    I feel the same way, about it being a non-issue. Reminds me of this funny pic I saw a while back (and I've felt this way many times in High School and College)

    A link since there's language (just the 'F' word, no biggie)

    http://i.imgur.com/06v3b.png

    @Master_Dahark, I have done exactly that. My senior AP English class was Shakespeare/poetry filled, where the teacher asked us our reactions, asking us questions similar to that. #-o
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 120</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Fatima Blush is the ultimate fashion victim of the Bond franchise.</b></font>
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    LOL. She was very '80s, so I disagree.

    I think I could make a better case for Connery's powder blue terry cloth outfit in GF (while insulting the Beatles, no less!) and Moore's brown/orange plaid jacket at the end of TMWTGG.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Agree, Was some VERY interesting choices from our dear Fatima! But? She was a fun villain and i liked her accent. She was also very amusing too!
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Barbara Carrera was indeed some interesting Bond girl in 1983 (unofficial) and some of the attire she put on was indeed a bit colorful or even questionable, but a nice array of outfits for sure. The one that sticks out above all else was when she tried to kill Bond and got blown up by the explosive pen device, all kitted out in leather pants and all, it was a bit of a shame when she was killed. I'm going to disagree with thesis, there has to be better examples of this
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Disagree. May Day's fashion was more outrageous.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Her dress, the one she wears during the charity event, is awful IMHO. I agree strongly with the thesis.
  • 00130013
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    I've never watched this movie... I can't give my opinion to the thesis.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    0013 wrote:
    I've never watched this movie... I can't give my opinion to the thesis.

    You are better for it, mate.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Kerim wrote:
    Disagree. May Day's fashion was more outrageous.

    I'll definitely agree that May Day's fashion was horrendous, but I think Fatima's was a little bit worse. That one thing alone that she wears during her final scene looks like some pirate's outfit or something. Quite ridiculous! So that's an agreement right there.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    If Moore had done two Bond films that year he could of had a Jolly Roger.. : - )
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    If Moore had done two Bond films that year he could of had a Jolly Roger.. : - )

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! =))

    Post of the day right here!
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Yes, Jolly Roger - Pirates!

    Moore has a Jolly Roger etc :|
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Fatima Blush as a henchwoman was totaly outragious and that was mirrored in her dress-sense. She is one of the great baddies and dresses to be remembered, and I do.

    I disagree with this thesis in the sense that her clothes mirror her character. Not a fashionvictim.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 121</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Accepting the voodoo powers in LALD is tougher than accepting the technology of DAD.</b></font>
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Since soon enough we'll have invisible cars anyway, agree.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I slightly agree, but I have the feeling that I would still be itching my head about either if I experienced it.
  • VirageVirage
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Since soon enough we'll have invisible cars anyway, agree.

    I second that.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    I love the whole voodoo element and the whole film, except for how Kananga was bumped off?!!! :)) DAD technology was never an issue for me as i had already read an article on the tank the US Military were working on i think?

    My one and only issue with DAD was the playstation effects of the iceberg parasailing! So thesis wise i will agree in terms of technology, but against the iceberg sequence? I will disagree and take the voodoo! X_X
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 2012 Posts: 6,288
    I think it gets very confusing when the top of Baron Samedi's head gets shot off and he looks up at it--funny, but huh? On the other hand, I love Samedi's resurrection at the end--one of the more interesting final shots in a Bond film.

    Disagree with the thesis.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited June 2012 Posts: 2,629
    I agree with the thesis. The dark powers of voodoo is a lot more plausible than invisible cars being chased by earth splitting diamond crested spaceships controlled by an altered Korean to Argentinian Robocop resulting in parasailing off of a crumbling iceberg.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    I never liked the voodoo crud of LALD for two reasons. One, black magic is spoken against in the Bible, so instant no-no, and two, it really is ridiculous. I mean really, who believes that crud. Anyway, yes I agree, because at least DAD's gadgetry wasn't entirely overblown, I mean, technology is doing some pretty nifty things nowadays.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    edited June 2012 Posts: 3,494
    00Beast wrote:
    I never liked the voodoo crud of LALD for two reasons. One, black magic is spoken against in the Bible, so instant no-no, and two, it really is ridiculous. I mean really, who believes that crud. Anyway, yes I agree, because at least DAD's gadgetry wasn't entirely overblown, I mean, technology is doing some pretty nifty things nowadays.

    I disagree with the premise and disagree 1000% with your views 00Beast.

    Who believes that "crud"? Lots of Haitians and other Caribbean natives for one. Who are you to say they are wrong and their faith has no merit in the eyes of the Divine? "Vodoun" is a recognized religion that blends Catholicism and African tribal beliefs. Beliefs that certain Christians used as "justification" to break their primary commandment and commit murder. Just like King James (hey let's change "poisoner" to "witch" and make some other changes in the Bible so we can murder people we feel like murdering), St. Olaf (another murderer, Catholics ought to exhume his remains and piss on them), etc. How can anyone trust a religion that diddles it's own rules and what it's prophets say?

    Like any religion, there are good people and bad people involved in it. Take the wrong path, pay the price. Those who believe in Vodoun know the truth of the Divine far better than most Christians do. Which for one, is that the Divine doesn't make decisions or judge a soul on it's choice of religion.

  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    edited June 2012 Posts: 1,778
    Im nuetral in this case. To me the technology of DAD didn't bother me as much as the Bond films have had some pretty outragous gadgets in the past. What hurts DAD the most is that it's simply a bad movie. Rehashed script, horrendous CGI, puns every 5 seconds (none of them funny), Madonna having a cameo, annoying Bond girl, bland villain, bland villainess, a bloated Pierce Brosnan. Need I go on?

    But if I have to choose I'll disagree as some sections of the world truly believe in the subject matter and it isn't handled in the same silly and "in your face" manner as the tech was in DAD.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    00Beast wrote:
    I never liked the voodoo crud of LALD for two reasons. One, black magic is spoken against in the Bible, so instant no-no, and two, it really is ridiculous. I mean really, who believes that crud. Anyway, yes I agree, because at least DAD's gadgetry wasn't entirely overblown, I mean, technology is doing some pretty nifty things nowadays.

    To quote Bart Simpson, "Eew, the Bible!"
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