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Actually thats a very convincing argument. Can I change my answer to disagree?
You are exceptionally well-informed, 0013.
Well, thank you! It's just that I like too much those little details in the books that show a more mundane Bond. Like in Quantum of Solace (short story) when he says that despite he've done a mission against the Cuban rebels, if he could choose a side, he would've help them. Bond On His Castro's Secret Service!
Fleming's Bond did throw away the cyanide pill, in the novel FRWL.
I didn't remember it! Do you know in which chapter is it?
I'm not sure, the book is around somewhere I shall try and find it and get back to you with an answer. It's been a while since I've read it, but I'm sure the case Major Boothroyd gives Bond has a cyanide pill in a secret compartment, which Bond subsequently throws away. I may be misremembering the case part but Bond definitely throws the pill away.
And you are absolutely right:
"Despite Bond's efforts to laugh them out of it, Q's craftsmen had insisted on building a hidden compartment into the handle of the case, which, by pressure at a certain point, would deliver a cyanide death-pill into the palm of his hand. (Directly he had taken delivery of the case, Bond had washed this pill down the lavatory.)"
From Russia with Love, chapter 13, page 113 of my Penguin 2003 edition.
The evidence is undeniable and I can't do nothing but to admit my mystake. So Bond only thinks of suicide on extreme cirmcunstances, but not in advance.
In that regard I wouldn't call it a mistake, merely further proof of how human Bond is. Fleming made him so subtly flawed you almost don't realise it. Like you say, Bond only thinks of suicide in the most extreme cases, when he is forced to abandon his pride, the pride he shows in those scenes in FRWL when he flushes the cyanide pill away.
As a sidenote, I always liked that reference in Die Another Day. People often forget that amongst the nonsense CGI and sex puns, there's some genuinely decent stuff there. If only the other references were as neat as that one.
I can't do that to myself. In a way, my TV that DAD is playing on could then he held accountable in a court of law of assisted suicide.
Anyway, I don't find the Bond of CR to be one to take himself out of the game like a cowardly Russian FSB agent. Just in CR alone we see the great drive Bond has to survive, and the strong will to pull through very traumatic events and obstacles. So, I agree with the thesis.
Very facetious, but so very true. :))
"Despite Bond's efforts to laugh them out of it, Q's craftsmen had insisted on building a hidden compartment into the handle of the case, which, by pressure at a certain point, would deliver a cyanide death-pill into the palm of his hand. (Directly he had taken delivery of the case, Bond had washed this pill down the lavatory.)"
From Russia with Love, chapter 13, page 113 of my Penguin 2003 edition.
Wow...can't argue with that :-?
I'd like to point out the earlier thesis that "Brosnan was at his most Fleming-esque in DAD" :P
So...can I change it back to agree
Final answer
What does this mean?
/:)
Presume it is a reference to TSWLM 35th anniversary (1977 + 35 = 2012). God alone knows why its been posted here though.
Every silver lining has a cloud, I guess.
'Abandoned stations for abandoned agents'.... actually quite good!, shame there wasn't more of that in abundance
Agree. Best line of the movie.
<font color=blue size=7><b>Craig's Bond would work better with the Sir Miles Messervy "M" of the novels, than with the motherly, lecturing M as portrayed by Judy Dench.</b></font>
The M focused plot is one of the only things I don't like the sound of in SF. I preferred Brosnan/Dench to Craig/Dench.
Thesis 128 Disagree. I like there chemistry. They just need to cut the amount of screen time M has. Lee was brilliant with Connery and Moore without question for me.
Oh, and one thing that struck me in the discussion of T126. No, not all people are greedy. wanting, or expecting to get recognition for the work you've done (in money or in fame, or any other way of recognition) isn't greed. Greed to my mind is wanting more then you deserve, and that was McClory to the full. It was right for him to fight for his recognition, it was wrong to keep on battling after he got what he deserved.
I haven't read much of the novels, I'm a much bigger fan of Movie Bond I'm afraid, but what I can ascertain of the two Craig releases, I'm going with Dench. Thesis seems wrong maybe
Agree. I want Fleming's M back.