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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Thesis 138: Agree, however i am sure he felt the pressure not to fail though?
    Thesis 139: Agree. But it reflects reality though in terms of our politicians though! The word Honourable should have no association with MP's in my view. Due to all the scams they are all up to their necks in!

    Tax havens and expense scandals! The Westminster bubble truely does exsist as they have no idea how the real world works? :-q
  • GrindermanGrinderman
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    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 139</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>QoS' scepticism towards British politicians doesn't fit Fleming's legacy.</b></font>

    Fleming never majorly touched on corruption within British establishment as his books were of a particular mindset. After the war, focus was on the enemy abroad, not the enemy at home. Naturally enough, as times change, so do your enemies (thinking of GE tagline) so while I agree that it didn't fit with Fleming, it works for Bond now.

    Agree.


    Can't say it better than that.

  • 00130013
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    Thesis 39: Agree. Fleming's stories where mostly black/white, good vs evil, England vs the rest of the word. The speech of Mathis in the end of Casino Royale was very clear about that.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 139</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>QoS' scepticism towards British politicians doesn't fit Fleming's legacy.</b></font>

    Agree. Of course, Fleming wrote in a different era and a different cultural mentality.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 140</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Ben Whishaw's Q should not try to copy of Llewelyn's Q but be his own Q instead.</b></font>
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Easy quistion. Of course.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    M_Balje wrote:
    Easy quistion. Of course.

    We aim to please. ;-)
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    We can only hope that Ben is a new Q instead of a reproduction of Llewelyn. Like John Cleese was not a copy of the one and first Q.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Absolutely. He will also always be compared to Llwellyn, so I hope he's capable of putting down a completely different character.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    He'll be the fourth Q but it many people's minds, the second. He will be his own person but comparisons with Llwellyn are inevitable. It's the question Whishaw will always be asked.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    He should do what Cleese did, stay funny and true to the character but don't completely copy the original. Agree.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Nobody can be what Desmond Llewelyn was to Q, or what Bernard Lee was to M, or what Lois Maxwell was to Moneypenny

    This new kid should not attempt a Q of pre-2000 rendition or anything like it. Was not happy about the appointment from day one. He should just do his own thing

    Thesis is correct
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
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    Agree with thesis. It would be foolish to try to match DL.
  • VirageVirage
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    Agreed, for all mentioned before
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 140</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Ben Whishaw's Q should not try to copy of Llewelyn's Q but be his own Q instead.</b></font>

    Agree! Its the same principle as whoever plays Bond, Moneypenny or M?! Make it your own.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 140</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Ben Whishaw's Q should not try to copy of Llewelyn's Q but be his own Q instead.</b></font>

    One of the easier ones. Agree.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    I agree, because just like the old case scenario, no one will ever be pleased with a substitute, only the original, real McCoy. Therefore, if he attempts to follow in the steps of Desmond, the fans will compare the two and will find fault with him not living up to his predecessor. Wishaw should simply take his own approach and let the fans and critics judge his performance on what he brought on his own, not what he could have done more like Desmond.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I do hope he doesn't utter the immortal line, 'do try to pay attention 007'

    That's Llewelyn all over, nobody should duplicate such an immortal phrase, not least of all this new kid they've brought in
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    I do hope he doesn't utter the immortal line, 'do try to pay attention 007'

    That's Llewelyn all over, nobody should duplicate such an immortal phrase, not least of all this new kid they've brought in

    I doubt he'll use it, not strictly because it is Desmond's best line as Q, but also because the line itself suggests more of grandfatherly line, where the age difference is intended. With Wishaw, he'd be younger than Daniel Craig's 007, so it'd almost be insulting for him to say such to one older than him.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    I do hope he doesn't utter the immortal line, 'do try to pay attention 007'

    That's Llewelyn all over, nobody should duplicate such an immortal phrase, not least of all this new kid they've brought in

    That's a bit like only wanting Connery having the "You must be joking" line. In time, he may say it and what's the harm in that? It's a Q line, not a Llewelyn line though I'm not really a fan of it.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    00Beast wrote:
    because it is Desmond's best line as Q

    Agreed, although I'm very fond of, "Don't touch that! That's my lunch."

  • 00Beast00Beast
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    echo wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    because it is Desmond's best line as Q

    Agreed, although I'm very fond of, "Don't touch that! That's my lunch."

    I love that one also, even more so because it is from GoldenEye!
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
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    I was always partial to "I never joke about my work, 007". And he never did.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Ha, and that's not true, becouse when (Brosnan) Bond says'The writing is on the wall' he reacts by saying ' along with the rest of him'... And that was GE's pen-grenade.. Still, I wouldn't hold it against him. He is and always will be the original Q (even though he was the second actor).
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
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    Well obviously. Whishaw can't be a grouchy old man at this stage of his life.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Kerim wrote:
    Well obviously. Whishaw can't be a grouchy old man at this stage of his life.

    Grouchy old timer or young blood, a man's lunch is his lunch! ;)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 141</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>Had it not been for those court restrictions, Stromberg and Drax could and would have been Blofeld.</b></font>
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited August 2012 Posts: 4,515
    Agree for Stromberg. Disagree for Drax, Drax look like more on Goldfinger, with exeption of his jacket. On that way the FYEO seen stil happening but then as results of TSWLM insteed of DAF. Whyle from the other side the producers can have deside Drax death can been a better way to make a end of Blofeld.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Stromberg, yes. Drax, not sure, maybe.

    But that would've meant Blofeld used the same basic plan 3 times.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Officially on the fence as thats a BIG what if?
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