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Twine was better than DUD, but still boring. Awful Bond girl and laughable villains.
IMO DAD was a huge middle-finger directed to TWINE. They dropped the overly melodramatic and complex plot and take on Bond, and went for a throwback to the good old fun outings. DAD was much better, more fun, more Bond, more entertaining than TWINE. TWINE ranks 20th in my ranking, while DAD is about 8th or 9th. Also Brosnan in DAD had a very Flemingesque performance... more relaxed, like he finally understood the Bond character. IMO DAD is a very good film, very Bond, very fun, very cool... much better than the real DUD that TWINE was.
TND, TWINE, GE, DUD
While the first three included occasional moments that stand out, DUD is clearly the unchallenged all-time worst movie in the series. How do you define 'entertaining'? DUD was an excruciating watch from start to finish - pure cinema torture.
I'm glad you can see it that way, but I don't, and neither does a good deal of the world (it seems). The humor I read in Fleming comes at us dry, and dark; not the over-the-top antics of Moore.
I kind of agree with that. Swap GE and TWINE and you've got it just right.
I know some of the sets look a bit fakey but the characters, score and dialogue make up for that.
I know some of the sets look a bit fakey but the characters, score and dialogue make up for that.
The biggest mistake of the Brosnan era is turning Bond into a giant stereotype. Brosnan's films got progressively worse as his tenure went on...and that's really too bad because his later performances (TND, DAD) were far better than his initial performance in GoldenEye. (TWINE is a glaring anomaly, of course!)
If that were the case I think it would've been overkill. Trevelyn's motives, unlike Blofeld's, were very personal and character specific. After failing to cripple London, him taking part in some other generic scheme that wasn't his main goal in the first place would've felt like a step down.
And I agree with the other posters, the Brosnan films needed alot more to save them.
I think DC is mistaking 'camp' for 'quirky'. Flemings books were often quite imaginitive and 'quirky' but I don't think they were what you would call camp. Take for instance Bond going to the Castle of Death in YOLT. That's clearly OTT but it's all told with a relitively straight, somewhat ironic manner. It's not too comic like some of the films were.
At what point in DAF the novel is there a giant laser cannon in space? I must've missed it.
The humour, maccabre atmosphere, memorable bunch of colourful oddball secondary characters, and the benign bizarre makes the DAF and TMWTGG films much closer to Fleming than CR. IMO CR had close to no similarities with Fleming, if only for the original plot which they butchered. FRWL yes is close to Fleming, but IMO DAF and TMWTGG are very close to Fleming. DAD had more similarities with Fleming's Bond, if only for the very Flemingesque performance from Brosnan. Whenever I read Fleming I instantly picture the humour, atmosphere and benign bizarre from DAF and TMWTGG... and I always picture Moore from 'Golden Gun' when reading a Fleming novel.
Except that even Fleming focused on plot, and kept the humor, atmosphere and secondary characters (where there are none so stupid as Nick Nack in any of his novels) where they needed to be, not sprinkled throughout just to make it longer. What you're asking is that MGM do just that: create moments where these people can be interesting, and then put filler in-between. Nothing works that way, and I point to Men in Black 2 as the example. Or, well, any sitcom that TV Land puts out, because the only good things about those shows are the commercials for upcoming episodes.
Agreed. DAD for all its over-CGI and Jinxish faults was still an improvement over the dull OHMSS/CR wannabe a/k/a TWINE.
As for the biggest mistake of the Brosnan era? I'd say promoting Barbara Broccoli to chief co-producer, a mistake continuing into the Craig era.
it would've helped though, and made it more intresting. Sean bean would've improved DAD alot.
once again its up to super-thelivingroyale to fly in and defend TWINE. It's not a CR/OHMSS wannabe, its different. Yes it has a more emotional and complex bond but it also has classic bond elements, like one liners, Q n moneypenny, etc. Its also great because it has a memorable villian and a good villianess. This film is probably the best brosnan acted in the series. It's almost the perfect bond film and would be the best one, but flaws like denise richards stop it from reaching no 1 and keep it at no 2 (imo)
I can agree with you about the best Brosnan acting, though.
And, Denise Richards is a big problem in that movie. As is Zukovsky dying (I liked Robbie Coltrane in that movie, he gets my favorite line: "I'm looking for a submarine. It's big and black and the driver is a very good friend of mine").
Indeed. Just look at how Connery's Bond handled Luciana Paluzzi's Fiona Volpe in TB. Compare that with how Brosnan's Bond handled Elektra in TWINE. Connery's Bond (of course) wins, absolutely no contest. Brosnan's Bond handles Miranda's treachery in DAD a lot better IMHO.
Good point. Just because they set out to make a more emotional Bond film doesn't mean they had to make Bond into a love-blinded fool. Brosnan doesn't even seem to be playing the same character he did in GE and TND.
Indeed. Or DAD. I particularly detested Bond's getting all sentimental over Elektra by seeing her cry on a video monitor. Bond in OHMSS didn't let Tracy get truly close to him emotionally until after he'd known her about 3 months and she had helped him escape from Fraulein Bunt & company. TWINE's Bond gets all misty-eyed over Elektra before he's even spoken to her once. Of course this isn't Brosnan's fault but the writers.
Why? You got a problem with Denise? (just asking)
moore is like flemmings bond at times but alot of the time he's doing his own thing as bond, which I enjoy. You have to admit he really made the part his own.
Every Bond is like Fleming's Bond at times. But, you're right: Moore made the part his own, and his films were enjoyable. But, I'm also right, and his antics were very over-the-top.