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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I do admit the Bond/Xenia race cue was very bad... but other than that I love the GE score.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Ok I'll try to justify it.

    The scene its attached to is a penis contest between 2 free spirits and their cars.
    "you are just trying to show off the size of your...your
    "Engine?"
    "Ego!"

    Combine that with the loud engines and it fits rather well IMO. Boys, cars, sex!
  • SharkShark Banned
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    To be fair, this sounds pretty porno to me. Maybe for a classier production, but still.

  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    Shark wrote:
    To be fair, this sounds pretty porno to me. Maybe for a classier production, but still.


    Again Im not saying Arnold is a genius but I do believe he's gotten substantially better since TND. I thought his scores for CR and QOS were both solid. I think he just works better with a harder edged Bond and story.
  • SharkShark Banned
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    No amount of convincing or Ludvico therapy will get me to appreciate CR, but I like QOS. I think Marc Forster's pressure for a new sound had a lot to do with that. The other directors didn't seem to care as much about the music as him.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2012 Posts: 13,355
    Shark wrote:
    No amount of convincing or Ludvico therapy will get me to appreciate CR, but I like QOS. I think Marc Forster's pressure for a new sound had a lot to do with that. The other directors didn't seem to care as much about the music as him.

    Will Mendes care as much, in your opinion?

    Considering how good he is being hailed as by the Skyfall team, he blooming well should do.
  • mikebravo008mikebravo008
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    Casino Royale over any other spy movie. :)>-
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Shark wrote:
    To be fair, this sounds pretty porno to me. Maybe for a classier production, but still.


    Actually, this is great music for the party scene. Remember that in the '90s, electronic lounge music and nu jazz became pretty popular thanks to artists like St. Germain. Fancy parties played such music all night long and some of them still do. I love what Arnold did here. It perfectly suits the moment. I mean, if even this little background music has to take some heat, the Arnold bashing has certainly taken irrational forms.

    Also, if this is porn music, @Shark, I recommend you watch some more porn. ;-)
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    Shark wrote:
    To be fair, this sounds pretty porno to me. Maybe for a classier production, but still.


    Actually, this is great music for the party scene. Remember that in the '90s, electronic lounge music and nu jazz became pretty popular thanks to artists like St. Germain. Fancy parties played such music all night long and some of them still do. I love what Arnold did here. It perfectly suits the moment. I mean, if even this little background music has to take some heat, the Arnold bashing has certainly taken irrational forms.

    Also, if this is porn music, @Shark, I recommend you watch some more porn. ;-)

    :-)) I like that track but I have to admit it does sound a tad "porn-ish" - Shark has a point. It wouldn't be out of place at Stringfello's or some other exotic dance club.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    So according to this site Arnold is officially NOT scoring Skyfall. Reason to celebrate?
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    I recommend you watch some more porn. ;-)

    Um... is this advice open to anyone?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,159
    Agent007391 wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    I recommend you watch some more porn. ;-)

    Um... is this advice open to anyone?

    I don't know. As long as we don't have a Debbie does Bond or Debbie does MI6, I'm not sure I should continue recommending porn on this forum. ;-)
  • SharkShark Banned
    edited January 2012 Posts: 348
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Shark wrote:
    To be fair, this sounds pretty porno to me. Maybe for a classier production, but still.


    Actually, this is great music for the party scene.

    Don't get me wrong here, I love that track too. A sort of acid jazz flavour to it, which was big in the UK in the mid to late 90s. I simply saying that I can't count how many times I've heard music just like that accompanying some 90s porn film.

    When that bass kicks in, I keep hearing "Ummmmm... yeeeaahh. **** me harder!"
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Well technically Bond ended up getting slapped in the face and sleeping with the woman who gave it to him. ;-)
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    edited January 2012 Posts: 1,778
    Another I didn't like was Serra using that romantic/depressing music to end the film. Bond coming back after 6 years should end with a triumphant track. Before I even saw CR I said to myself that they need to end it blasting the Bond theme.
  • SharkShark Banned
    edited January 2012 Posts: 348
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Another I didn't like was Serra using that romantic/depressing music to end the film. Bond coming back after 6 years should end with a triumphant track. Before I even saw CR I said to myself that they need to end it blasting the Bond theme.

    Nah, I really like the lowkey, romantic ending. More Bond films should go for that, rather than the terrible Arnold syndrome of having to have some loud, obnoxious take on the Bond theme blaring, just to remind you watch you're watching in case you've gotten amnesia all of a sudden.

    Though I love that tradition outside of Bond, mostly found in New Hollywood thrillers of the 60-70s. Remember the quiet, introspective credits of BULLITT, DIRTY HARRY, JAWS and etc? I want some more of that.
  • BounineBounine
    edited January 2012 Posts: 2,598
    Definitely Casino Royale which is in my top 5 or 6 Bond films. Much more Flemingsque than GE and many of the other Bond films. I'm not a fan of the Brosnan films but GE is alright. The downside of CR was the sinking building which was an unnecessary action scene and a dull one at that. The GE climax is a great scene and easily better than the fall of the Venice house. The Vesper suicide was done well though.

    I like the low key ending of GE too.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Yes, Double0hhSeven definitly nailed it - even thought I absolutly love Moore as Bond, rank him far in front of the others, whenever James Bond pops in a conversation, Brosnan is the first Bond I think of - as GE is the first Bond film I ever saw.

    Same here

    When I think bond, I think either dalton or brosnan. TLD was my first bond film and as a teenager I watched all the brosnan films at the cinema.
  • BounineBounine
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    I didn't like Brosnan as Bond except I thought he was okay in Goldeneye. Campbell gave him better direction than the others.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Shark wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Another I didn't like was Serra using that romantic/depressing music to end the film. Bond coming back after 6 years should end with a triumphant track. Before I even saw CR I said to myself that they need to end it blasting the Bond theme.

    Nah, I really like the lowkey, romantic ending. More Bond films should go for that, rather than the terrible Arnold syndrome of having to have some loud, obnoxious take on the Bond theme blaring, just to remind you watch you're watching in case you've gotten amnesia all of a sudden.

    I never had a problem with the romantic tune in GE. Anyway, don't you remember how Royale the book ends @DoubleOhhSeven? Its hardly Bond at his most triumphant.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Shark wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Another I didn't like was Serra using that romantic/depressing music to end the film. Bond coming back after 6 years should end with a triumphant track. Before I even saw CR I said to myself that they need to end it blasting the Bond theme.

    Nah, I really like the lowkey, romantic ending. More Bond films should go for that, rather than the terrible Arnold syndrome of having to have some loud, obnoxious take on the Bond theme blaring, just to remind you watch you're watching in case you've gotten amnesia all of a sudden.

    I never had a problem with the romantic tune in GE - sounds like more whining if you ask me ;) Anyway, don't you remember how Royale the book ends @DoubleOhhSeven? Its hardly Bond at his most triumphant.

    There's a huge difference between ending a Bond novel and ending a Bond film. Plus CR the novel didn't have nearly 45 of years of history behind it when it was released.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2012 Posts: 11,189
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Shark wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Another I didn't like was Serra using that romantic/depressing music to end the film. Bond coming back after 6 years should end with a triumphant track. Before I even saw CR I said to myself that they need to end it blasting the Bond theme.

    Nah, I really like the lowkey, romantic ending. More Bond films should go for that, rather than the terrible Arnold syndrome of having to have some loud, obnoxious take on the Bond theme blaring, just to remind you watch you're watching in case you've gotten amnesia all of a sudden.

    I never had a problem with the romantic tune in GE - sounds like more whining if you ask me ;) Anyway, don't you remember how Royale the book ends @DoubleOhhSeven? Its hardly Bond at his most triumphant.

    There's a huge difference between ending a Bond novel and ending a Bond film. Plus CR the novel didn't have nearly 45 of years of history behind it when it was released.

    It's meant to be a re-boot, technically they are wiping the slate clean ;)

    Seriously, I think the romantic music in GE is actually quite sweet.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Shark wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Another I didn't like was Serra using that romantic/depressing music to end the film. Bond coming back after 6 years should end with a triumphant track. Before I even saw CR I said to myself that they need to end it blasting the Bond theme.

    Nah, I really like the lowkey, romantic ending. More Bond films should go for that, rather than the terrible Arnold syndrome of having to have some loud, obnoxious take on the Bond theme blaring, just to remind you watch you're watching in case you've gotten amnesia all of a sudden.

    I never had a problem with the romantic tune in GE - sounds like more whining if you ask me ;) Anyway, don't you remember how Royale the book ends @DoubleOhhSeven? Its hardly Bond at his most triumphant.

    There's a huge difference between ending a Bond novel and ending a Bond film. Plus CR the novel didn't have nearly 45 of years of history behind it when it was released.

    It's meant to be a re-boot, technically they are wiping the slate clean ;)

    Yes but they can't expect us to forget everything about the past. Like I said ending a film and ending a novel are vert different. I can't imagine a big budget blockbuster ending with "The bitch is dead" and then cut to the credits. This being a reboot, we needed to be happy Bond was back.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Shark wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Another I didn't like was Serra using that romantic/depressing music to end the film. Bond coming back after 6 years should end with a triumphant track. Before I even saw CR I said to myself that they need to end it blasting the Bond theme.

    Nah, I really like the lowkey, romantic ending. More Bond films should go for that, rather than the terrible Arnold syndrome of having to have some loud, obnoxious take on the Bond theme blaring, just to remind you watch you're watching in case you've gotten amnesia all of a sudden.

    I never had a problem with the romantic tune in GE - sounds like more whining if you ask me ;) Anyway, don't you remember how Royale the book ends @DoubleOhhSeven? Its hardly Bond at his most triumphant.

    There's a huge difference between ending a Bond novel and ending a Bond film. Plus CR the novel didn't have nearly 45 of years of history behind it when it was released.

    It's meant to be a re-boot, technically they are wiping the slate clean ;)

    Yes but they can't expect us to forget everything about the past. Like I said ending a film and ending a novel are vert different. I can't imagine a big budget blockbuster ending with "The bitch is dead" and then cut to the credits. This being a reboot, we needed to be happy Bond was back.

    In that case you can accuse them of (again) pandering to the audience
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Shark wrote:
    DoubleOhhSeven wrote:
    Another I didn't like was Serra using that romantic/depressing music to end the film. Bond coming back after 6 years should end with a triumphant track. Before I even saw CR I said to myself that they need to end it blasting the Bond theme.

    Nah, I really like the lowkey, romantic ending. More Bond films should go for that, rather than the terrible Arnold syndrome of having to have some loud, obnoxious take on the Bond theme blaring, just to remind you watch you're watching in case you've gotten amnesia all of a sudden.

    I never had a problem with the romantic tune in GE - sounds like more whining if you ask me ;) Anyway, don't you remember how Royale the book ends @DoubleOhhSeven? Its hardly Bond at his most triumphant.

    There's a huge difference between ending a Bond novel and ending a Bond film. Plus CR the novel didn't have nearly 45 of years of history behind it when it was released.

    It's meant to be a re-boot, technically they are wiping the slate clean ;)

    Yes but they can't expect us to forget everything about the past. Like I said ending a film and ending a novel are vert different. I can't imagine a big budget blockbuster ending with "The bitch is dead" and then cut to the credits. This being a reboot, we needed to be happy Bond was back.

    In that case you can accuse them of (again) pandering to the audience

    No but giving us a better ending. And one that makes more sense considering how QOS was to be a direct follow-up, which CR the novel did not have.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I like the ending of Royale but, lets face it, it is a crowd pleaser. I've heard fanboys say CR dumbed down the whole revenge part of the book and added in a bunch of action.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited January 2012 Posts: 12,837
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I like the ending of Royale but, lets face it, it is a crowd pleaser. I've heard fanboys say CR dumbed down the whole revenge part of the book and added in a bunch of action.

    They got as close to the book as they could. If they did exactly what it said in the book I don't think CR would've been as good. To me it would've been too boring, not enough like a bond film. CR the book was good but, it was a book. End of the day, film bond and book bond are pretty different. But I do think if they took out alot of the action like some fanboys wanted then CR could've easily been an oscar winning bond film. But I'd rather keep the enjoyable action sequences all the bond films have than get rid of them for the sake of a stupid gold trophy.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I like the ending of Royale but, lets face it, it is a crowd pleaser. I've heard fanboys say CR dumbed down the whole revenge part of the book and added in a bunch of action.

    They got as close to the book as they could. If they did exactly what it said in the book I don't think CR would've been as good. To me it would've been too boring, not enough like a bond film. CR the book was good but, it was a book. End of the day, film bond and book bond are pretty different. But I do think if they took out alot of the action like some fanboys wanted then CR could've easily been an oscar winning bond film. But I'd rather keep the enjoyable action sequences all the bond films have than get rid of them for the sake of a stupid gold trophy.

    I agree @thelivingroyale. I'm just pointing out that CR perhaps isn't as "ground-breaking" as some may say it is.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    BAIN123 wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I like the ending of Royale but, lets face it, it is a crowd pleaser. I've heard fanboys say CR dumbed down the whole revenge part of the book and added in a bunch of action.

    They got as close to the book as they could. If they did exactly what it said in the book I don't think CR would've been as good. To me it would've been too boring, not enough like a bond film. CR the book was good but, it was a book. End of the day, film bond and book bond are pretty different. But I do think if they took out alot of the action like some fanboys wanted then CR could've easily been an oscar winning bond film. But I'd rather keep the enjoyable action sequences all the bond films have than get rid of them for the sake of a stupid gold trophy.

    I agree @thelivingroyale. I'm just pointing out that CR perhaps isn't as "ground-breaking" as some may say it is.

    Yeah I know, CR wasn't as big a leap as alot of people make out. Dalton was doing the whole gritty darker bond thing way back in the 80s, but when CR was released everybody seemed to forget about that
  • SharkShark Banned
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I like the ending of Royale but, lets face it, it is a crowd pleaser. I've heard fanboys say CR dumbed down the whole revenge part of the book and added in a bunch of action.

    They got as close to the book as they could.

    Bollocks.
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