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Very true.
GE nowadays looks tired, dated and quite frankly dull. Its a succession of tickboxes and cliches for those who cant do without their tickboxes and cliches.
CR is a jewell. Not just the best Bond film for twenty years but one of the best films for twenty years. BAFTA award winning CR is one of the best of the series.
I liked the credits sequence whereas symbols of Soviet communism were broken down and Kleinman takes plaudits for work here, wasn't so keen on the Turner theme song sorry to add, just really didn't take to it and the time of release
There's lots to get involved in but it doesn't take itself as seriously as Craigs debut, the whole concept of a Bond adversary killing men with her thighs is borderline ridiculous, and I never found the Jansenn character particularly menacing or believable. If it ever comes down to a choice of which is the better of the two then for me Royale wins by some distance, it has more vibrancy, vigor and all round substance, and Craig is more closer to the Fleming original character here although Brosnan did do very well here and there in his first appearance and was both believable and rose up to the James Bond challenge particularly in the first half of the film
Because that's pretty much all the material they had by that point. Still, I consider the first 1/2 hour of TLD one of the most accurate depictions of the Fleming character onscreen.
Really?
Better then Red Grant, Klebb, Blofeld, Kronsteen etc? Better then Auric, Oddjob, Pussy? Better then Kananga, Whisper, Tee Hee, Baron Samedi?
all the other Bond nemesis' from Goldeneye were a major let down if you really think about it, Onatopp, Ourumov, Grishenko etc, was the latter even a 'Bond villain' for goodness sake, not even sure how to categorize him, he looked like he wouldn't harm a fly :|
Back in 1995 I yawned at Bean as a Bond villain. Maybe its a British thing. He was just too familiar from other work and I had trouble taking him seriously as an adversary. I remember him in Caravaggio and the week before his arse had been going up and down on Joely Richardson in Lady Chatterleys Lover.
How comes he has a Blofeld type base? He strikes me as exactly the type of villain who would not have a Blofeld type base. A cliche for the sake of it?
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How to categorise Boris Grischenko? Unfunny comedy character? aka Sherriff J W Pepper syndrome?
Personally I'm a less is more kinda guy. I'll take a black and white opening of Bond sitting in the shadows waiting to kill a man in cold blood over an opening with really bad green screen, endless machine gun fire, and Bond hanging over a toilet any day. Plus in the scheme of the story the PTS doesn't even really make sense. Watch haphazard's review of Goldeneye to see what I mean.
As for the credits, I loved the retro vibe of CR's credit sequence. Easily Kleinman's best IMO. Plus I'm a big Chris Cornell fan.
And I liked the intro to GE (tho Royales was admittedly better).
As a film CR also feels more fresh. It feels like a classic Bond adventure without ticking all the cliché boxes. Brave to show something new, but also old.
The people I struck out were actually good characters, but I'll never understand why you listed the others as being better than GoldenEye's cast. I don't like Boris, but I'd take him better than Kronsteen, Pussy Galore, Whisper or, yes, even Auric Goldfinger any day.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. The film's great and GF was obviously a classic villain but Gert Frobe was hardly the most imposing character - just an overweight German...sorry Englishman...whom Connery had virtually no problems overpowering at the end. The villains of LALD didn't really stick out as much for me either. They were good but hardly the very best.
Plus GE contains one of the more underrated Bond villains - General Oromov.
There's one other thing I prefer about GE and that's M's characterisation. While Dench herself is great in both I think her cold attitude and icy remarks in GE are more effective ("because if I wanted sarcasm Mr Tanner I'll tall to my children thank you very much").
In Royale she's reduced to mild swearing - even more so in Quantum of Solace).
Underrated? There is no character to rate in the first place.
When they do try to give him a bit of character it is done so cackhandedly its embarasing. Ouromov is under stresss. How do we show this? Ummm..lets have him swig from a miniature. Amateur and lazy.
How else do you suggest they show it?
More so then CR where she has to gain her trust in Bond in the first place? Where he has to prove her faith in him when she promoted him to "00"? Where she has to learn to trust him and his judgement throughout the film? She is on a learning curve as well as Bond.
M in GE was part of the whole "updating Bond for the nineties" spiel which meant he being waspish and defensive. She does have some good lines but doesnt have the character movement she has in CR and QoS.
Good dialogue and acting?
Gottfried John does act it pretty well IMO.
I prefer the cold, calculating M to the one who seems panicked by everything personally. It just shows a bit more...I don't know...dignity. She is afterall the head of Mi6. In Royale it wasn't too bad but it became a little annoying in Quantum.
I am probably being a little hard on Gottfried John. He does well with what he is given.
In Quantum M has an even bigger character progression. She loses faith in Bond after he goes on that killing spree. She is not sure whether her first instincts about him not being up to the job were right. Only, at the end, in Kazan, does she realise that it was nothing to with revenge whatsoever and she re-trusts him. Another learning curve for her.
Another thing. Bond doesn't even bother to tell M about what he and Camile discovered in the cave.
I've always had a soft spot for some of the tracks on the GE-soundtrack too. "Run, Shoot and Jump" is one of the tracks I've listened most to over the years; it's short, but very intense.
Shw did, but his actions in Haiti allowed her to query that trust. She has him suspended after the carnage in Haiti.~Once she meets him again i n Bolivia she re evaluates that and supports him after the conversation in La Paz. The character goes through a progression.
Abit more interesting that just "your a sexist misygonist dinosaur Brozzer.." dont you think.
1) She's been attacked by her own body guard.
2) Bond's killing every lead they've got (some accidental, some not).
3) If you notice, she doesn't have a problem letting Bond go off on his own after Bergens, it's only after Mathis has been killed and they find Fields dead that she decides to step in, and then she lets him go only after he's taken down several other agents.
4) Because of the aforementioned body guard incident, she has no clue who is or isn't with Quantum.
He doesn't tell her, because she won't listen. She proved that already. She assumed that Bond shot Haines' body guard and threw him off the roof, and probably would not have listened if Bond had told him that the body guard was shot on the ground by Greene's men after falling off the roof.
GE, when is came out it pushed all the right buttons. The thing is and I'm not sure why, but the more films Brosnan did, the more I forgot GE, yet its probably his best
TND - Too much Bond with a machine gun in both hands acting like Arnold.
TWINE - Too boring
DAD - CGI surfing!!!!
Bonds actors tend to be like Marmite and you either love the characters playing them or you don't and you only get a real appreciation for them a long time after they are gone.
Back on subject :) CR for me is the best Bond film since OHMSS (and I love TLD/LTK so thats saying something).