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I get what you mean but M seems to very quickly change her mind in the hotel. One minute she has Bond taken away saying "I think you're so blinded with inconsolable rage". He beats up the bodyguards, leaves them and M all of a sudden changes her mind.
"I don't give a shit about the CIA. He's my agent and I trust him.
Thats come just after he's got an apparent innocent killed and left several of her guards unconscious.
I just feel that in the pre-Craig era M was a bit more...dignified.
I'd say the difference there was J.W. actually was funny.
I've never had a problem with JW (at least in LALD) but I'm sure u know KK that he's a controversial character.
IMO Peppah is the best character in the franchise, apart from Bond that is ! I love J.W. !!
I do agree with LALD and FRWL's villains, since they pretty much lead the movie. I just think that GE's villains interact and go together better than any others. Plus, they are all really unique and contribute something different to Janus that makes them even more dangerous.
Dignified? Is this the same character who tried to free herself from prison with a broom handle?
Umm... I dont think they interact as well as the villains in OP or LTK, TB or OHMSS or FYEO?
I see what you're saying with the others, because I do agree with you, but I just like the connections between Trevelyan, Xenia, Ourumov, and Boris. It's not a lot of villains to where each have limited screentime, and the small group of four provides more character/story behind each villain.
If I can erase one character from the Bond universe it'd be J.W. Pepper. Even in a Moore film he's simple too over-the-top.
Casino Royale is very much a Bond film and will stand the test of time much more than GE. All the elements of Bond's character are there in CR but they're simply in the development stage. And how could CR be less a Bond film when it's taken directly from a Fleming source? GE is a United Artist's Bond film with plenty of big explosions but a weak story and in some cases even weaker acting. CR is an updating of Fleming's Bond (i.e. a modern day DN or FRWL) with more focus put into character and storytelling plus alot of great action, which puts it way ahead of GE for me.
I like what you said about Bond films and modern day Bond films. I've talked to people who have said that they had only seen Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, which didn't surprise me considering they're not huge Bond fans. Hopefully SkyFall, being a "modern-day" action movie, will include the classic Bond formula that can turn some people into Bond fans!
Would you say Casino Royale '67 is more of a Bond film than GE? Afterall it has Bond the bare bones of the fleming story including LeChiffre in a game of baccarat. Vepers Lynd is also in it...
That being said, though I revised my post to read GE is more identifiable of a Bond film (I'm not one to strike up an argument for the sake of an argument).
Let me elaborate: when I saw CR in the cinemas in 2006 I was pretty impressed. CR had a gritty realism to it that was refreshing after DAD. As time goes by though, when I revisit CR, I continue to notice things that are lacking/or shouldn't be there. First: Bond as a highly agile stuntman: there's just too much of this. Bond should be more resourceful and shouldn't constantly be throwing himself into a steeplechase. 2nd: There's very little actual spy work: Bond just breaks into M's apartment, throws himself into a parkour chase, beats up the guy in the stairwell. Not that we need quirky gagdets, but again, I'd like to see Bond a little more resourceful. DC to me, also lacks a refinement of the character I look for: he seems akward, rather than smooth in his delivery. He does have an intensity about him, which is welcome, but I think he could be a bit more refined. I'm not looking for formula mind you (i.e. the obligatory M, Moneypenny, Q moments--though I wouldn't mind seeing there return), I just think GE captures the spirit and persona of the Bond character better.
Yea! At least she wasn't saying "Christ" or "bloody" whenever she was onscreen.
Oh yeah, that made me mad! I was thinking to myself, there are other things to say than to throw around Christ like it's a common word. It's always funny in a not so funny way to see how Hollywood thinks it has to use such language as that to make the movie a box office hit. It can be done without!
"Is everything satisfactory?
Everything except the interruption"
"Do you destroy every vehicle you get into?"
"Well don't stand there get us out of here"
I'd happily get ordered around by her.
Additionally the one love scene between her and Brosnan was, IMO, really sweet - especially how she playfully smoothers him with the pillow.
I would put J.W. Pepper in every Moore outing, and give him his own series... he's a damn icon to me. Pepper is like all I ever wanted in a Bond film !! Coupled with Moore, and you have an epic duo ! Moore and Pepper should have had a buddy tv show !!
Pepper isn't that bad - esp compared to some of the other characters (*cough*Mr Kil*cough*) although I agree he was in one film too many.
Wow, the way you talk this up with such zeal, I just made be turned on to the idea!
the swearing fitted the character. She was head of MI6 not mother superior.
Yes Mr Kil was a bit cringeworthy... too much IMO. He didn't have the magical stuff seen in the Moore films. DAD is excellent, but there are a few big mistakes in the film.
Is it professional though? Does it show someone in control? Did Bernard Lee or Robert Lee need to do it? They were all top people too.
Dare I say J.W. Pepper joining Brett Sinclair and Danny Wilde as the ultimate buddy trio would have been excellent !! :)>-
I thought Natalya was an average Bond girl. Once she gets to the Cuban facility her story is over. She does the usual running around, dodging explosians, popping up with a gun...but other then that she is pretty forgettable.
Vesper IS Casino Royale. She is the reason why he is the way he is. She is the catalyst which makes James Bond James Bond.
Possibly the most important Bond girl of the franchise.
You mean Robert Brown? I suspect they swore like troopers. Ex Naval men. Didnt M drink some fiery Moroccan wine.
In the novel yes, but not in the film... In the film Vesper was a farce.
Please explain why she is a farce?
Hmm I think thats Tracy. Played by a better actress, the only Bond girl pre-Craig to tame Bond and who had a death that was IMO even more powerful than Vesper's. By the time we hear she's a traitor we know her fate.
I like Vesper but I just prefer Natalya. She saves Bond at the end and is partly responsible for stopping the Goldeneye.
Robert Brown probably did curse but we didn't see it. They got their points across without having to do so.