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Yeah realistically they probably would. But I agree with BAIN. The language cheapens the character a little bit. I like seeing these characters have some refinement in their speach. It just sounds vulgar and cheap when they don't.
Take Bond's dialogue with Camille where he says: "you infiltrated his organization by <i>having sex with him</i>." It's such a small line, but sounds so vulgar to me. SC, RM, GL, TD or PB Bond to me would have phrased it more like, "you infiltrated his organization by being his lover or mistress or something better than "having sex with him". It just sounds tacky some of the language in the Craig Bond films.
I think you can get points across without needing to curse. The M in the books never did from what I recall and, on the very few occasions Bond did, we never knew what it was he actually said. Fleming would just say something along the lines of "Bond let out a curse".
A good example I've just thought of was in DAD.
Bond: you'd better stay here tonight, keep up the chararde of being lovers.
Craig Bond: you'd better stay here to keep up the charade we're having sex. ;)
But James Bond was already James Bond when he met Tracy. He wasnt the James Bond we know before meeting Vesper. She was instrumental in changing his character - not allowing himself to trust anyone to get close to him again.
So I would say she was the most important one.
Well, there you go then....
There you are. He swore in the books.
Perhaps but I still think Isabella is a bit sexier than Eva ;)
Yes, but we're talking Bond films here. These should be films with style. Sure realistically, Bond also needs to take a bathroom break, fill up the gas tank in the old Aston Martin, play some sudoku on his Sony Ericsen to pass the time.
Would Fleming have wanted M, a man of power, to openly swear though? I don't know. I may be wrong but I don't recall the character doing so.
Fair enough. I like you Bains you see both sides.
Also, doesnt Dalton Bond swear in LTK "Turn off the bloody machine!"
Well, we know he dangles from bathrooms watching other people on the toilet.
We didn't see him wince at the turd that soldier must have left.
Indeed he does. Twice in fact 'Get me out of these bloody things' and 'switch the bloody machine off'. Thats not too bad but he also does it with 'watch the birdie you bastard' - a line that I'm not sure suits Bond.
I don't think M ever did though. He didn't need to.
Craig's Bond is more to the point and can speak like a normal human being from time to time. That's why a found both Craig and Dalton to be refreshing. They live in the real world.
I still don't think M did though.
Craig Bond famously used it in the films.
"The bitch is dead now..."
Agreed.
In fact "Christ, I miss the cold war.." is a good humoured line. Which the humour wouldnt work without the curse.
True but I sometimes just think her cold icey stare with Brosnan is a bit more effective. She seemed to have more faith in Brosnan's Bond come to think of it.
I sound like I don't like Judy :s. I do but I just find her a bit more effective pre-Craig.
I'd forgotten about that 'Christ I miss the cold war line'. Yeah that was good and is perhaps an exception - I remember it got a big laugh in the cinema.
Ha! Touche
Ofcourse she had more faith in Brosnan's Bond. That's precisely my point. Brosnan's Bond was 007 for years while she was recently promoted as M. There had to be some greater level of respect. With Craig it's the exact oppisite. Bond's the one who just got promoted and has something to prove. He has to earn her trust.
Would you really (DC007 is exempt from this, because he'd probably say yes) want Bond or any other character running around shouting "Fiddlesticks!" when something unexpected happens, or the bad guy shaking his fist and shouting "Curses!" when Bond foils the plan? In every Bond film I've ever seen, the swearing is done at just the right moments, and never just for the sake of swearing.
Maybe to some extent but I think it makes for a more interesting dynamic. And we have to remember in CR and QOS we're dealing with a Bond who's new at his job. And after all the stuff he pulls so early on would it be logical for M to trust someone who seemingly such a loose cannon?
I have a feeling Skyfall will acknowledge the susequent years since QOS and the Bond/M relationship will be a more traditional one.
Agree wholeheartedly on Natalya! She is a fantastic Bond girl, and definitely better than Vesper! And I also agree 100% on the whole cursing issue. It's not needed and the older movies of the past understand this better than today's, where cursing is pretty much unavoidable in any movie nowadays. It doesn't make the dialogue any better, and in fact makes it worse for those who just want to enjoy a good movie without cringing at every other word.
Maybe it's on the level of banal phrases like: "Crappy" "friggin" "That sucks" "Douche" and other low denominator trashy words, but not quite swearing per se? Fill me in.
I do like goldeneyes action sequences though, and the characters are more intresting and memorable than CR. Trevalyn and le cheifre are just as good villians as eachother.
Its a worse word over here than in america, but not really that bad. It is swearing though so its a bit above crappy n douche.
he does, but LTK is higher rated so you should expect some swearing
I know it's probably difficult for you to comprehend but, while I think Royale is probably the better film overall, I'll always have a bit of sentiment for GE as it was the first Bond film I saw and is EASILY the one I've seen the most.