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A nod I could live with. Pilfering a moment of such iconic relevance overstepped for me. I fully believe Tracy and Bond had a connection; would the marriage have lasted? Probably not. Just look at their personalities!! But love? Sure. Madeline on the other hand was just another middle-distance-staring, largely miserable bore. I don't think even in the best film in the world would OHMSS music be fitting. It definitely didn't work here.
"Let me tell you about a man named Bond, James Bond. He killed your grandfather, and nearly got me killed numerous times. There was this one time he did save me from being strapped to a building rigged to explode, but that was only after I left him in the street because I didnt want the life he would provide. We did hook up about 10 minutes later though. He abandoned me while pregnant due to chronic trust issues, even after 5 years together, and was still hung up on an ex-girlfriend he knew for a few days over a decade ago."
Sorry, I know thats facetious in the extreme, I just really hate the ending and can't help getting a little OTT :D
'Brave and bold' would have been killing off Bond, and ending the series. To kill him off then say he'll be back later in another film . . . in the same film he dies in, is neither brave or bold.
More like barmy old bollocks. If you want a bit of alliteration with 'yer Vespa.
Greatest ending? What a joke!
I think I felt the tremors of twitching eyes, and heard the thumping explosions of angry people spontaneously combusting around the world, @mtm 😂...
Bit disingenuous to leave out the whole "he saved me from suicide" bit...
Okay; ‘I was suffering from serious mental illness and became dangerously fixated on the man who stopped me killing myself, whom I then slept with for money’ etc. ;)
Also, do we have any idea why Vesper is buried in Italy rather than France?
Almost?
I never bought the Swann and Bond love story, it got somewhat rescued in NTTD but still lacking. Some think taking All the Time in the World and playing it in this move is fine. I don't ascribe to that view. It is a cheat, meant to show or should I say tell us that Bond and Swann are similar to Tracy and Bond. I remember the producers saying this Bond was re-booted from the previous Bond character. That he was fresh and new. Suddenly we have him driving an Aston Martin with an ejector seat. Then we introduce a song that was connected to the very character they say this one isn't connected to?
I maintain they should have commissioned a current talent to write a suitable song for Swann and Bond. I didn't cry when Tracy dies, but my heart aches. A character I have known since the mid seventies dies, or as the producers want a character I have known since 2006 dies and I feel nothing. Nothing but anger that they disrespected the character so much.
But seriously. I truly respect artistry and talent. But I don't have to like or agree with the decisions of the writers and producers. That they have an enviable track record of successes does not persuade me otherwise.
Hearing the music of OHMSS took me back to that film instead on focusing me on the one I was viewing. Of course we'll never know, but could the ending of NTTD worked as well with another song? Had there been an original love theme at the end, it wouldn't have occurred to me that WHATTITW should have taken its place.
The callbacks to CR were appropriate. In the end I wasn't angry about anything. Two weak villains, another poor adaptation of YOLT, and killing Bond left me with What Were They Thinking?
Looking ahead, I would like to hear a contemporary version of the 007 Theme again.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Go get some therapy...
@CrabKey , just attempting a bit of self deprecating humour (especially since my opinion isn't a very popular one by some members here, so might as well lean into what I love, while also taking the p!$s out of myself)
I'll defend DAF, MR and SP to the death as well.
Side note- I didn't care for WHATTITW in the film. However, I smiled when the OHMSS theme played during Bond and M's meeting outside. It sort of symbolizes Bond returning one more time to defend Her Majesty's Service and rekindled the Bond/M dynamic that was temporarily destroyed in the previous office meeting.
Thanks @GoldenGun !
😂, it’s nice to not be a lonely island, 😂!!!
Yeah, if it popped up again to symbolise MI6 or M or Bond's duty in future I wouldn't be too upset: it works well for that. And I can't be upset at hearing John Barry!
Yes. Being a knowledgeable Bond fan, Arnold knows how sacred some pieces of Bond music are. He himself reused music from Dr. No & FRWL in his TND score and it worked. Even Newman briefly used Barry's Thunderball Bond theme in his Westminster Bridge track from SP's score and it also worked. Maybe Zimmer didn't want to argue much with EON or he didn't really see anything wrong with reusing certain old Bond music or he was just happy to join the historical echelon of Bond composers. His action music was superb for the series and Craig's Bond, though.
Ha! Fair enough :D Still think OHMSS lands it better than NTTD as a believable relationship though, doomed as it was no matter what happened. Believable relationship, not successful relationship!
I like OHMSS as much as the next guy, but it feels like a movie love affair to me: there's more artifice there. She falls in love via a montage; it just gets turned on like a switch is flicked in the script. And zero chemistry of course- as wonderful as Rigg is and as easy for me to fall in love with as she is, no one could have chemistry with Lazenby onscreen. I like them, but in terms of a believable relationship, there's more in Matera which seems familar and relatable than anything in Piz Gloria to me.
We're still trotting out the Vesper plot like it is as fresh to Bond now as it was when it happened over a decade earlier (and character believability aside, I think the Vesper arc should have been completely severed after QoS).
And then after all their time together together, Bond pretty easily accepts Madeline betrayed him.
She then misses a time window wide enough to get a DeLorean up to 88mph to tell Bond that she is pregnant.
The same PTS has Bond/Madeline as a happy couple; Bond/Madeline both hung up on Vesper; Bond/Madeline having enormous trust issues.
I also find Madeline to be quite a dull person across SP and NTTD. We're delving deep into personal taste here, but there is nothing about her character that makes me see what Bond saw in her. Would Tracy have been My Type? No. Can I see how she would be to someone else? Yes. I just don't get that with Swann.
And can this be tidily explained away in-character without much fuss? Absolutely, and I am glad for those who see it that way! It's just one of those things. I really wanted to like this film, and despite what my posts may read like, I do genuinely try to find the good in them, but I think NTTD, Madeline, Mathilde, Bond dying, etc, all packaged in NTTD is an acquired taste I don't have.