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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Great pic with the puppet master above. Hadn't noticed the hand before.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2023 Posts: 16,597
    That second one is a great shot, not seen that before thank you.

    A couple of years back there was a very argumentative person (who names himself after a gun) on AJB who tried to tell me that they only used the four foot model for the filming and nothing else. I showed him that first photo with the hand very clearly above it showing the scale of the model, and he tried to tell me that the water was somehow distorting the scale and making the model look much smaller :))
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited August 2023 Posts: 3,800
    Is it true that Babs Bach and Sir Rog didn’t get along during filming? Any ideas what the issue was? It doesn’t really show in any of those photos.

    For all I know, Barbara Bach called James Bond a chauvinist pig (it's also one of the reasons why she refused to return in AVTAK), she hated the Bond character.

    But she had nothing against Moore, in fact she's one of who gave tributes when Moore died.

    https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1631080/James-Bond-girl-Barbara-Bach-The-Spy-Who-Loved-Me-Roger-Moore/amp

    I think she shouldn't say that though, it's the film that kick started her career (although that didn't last long), but still one that made her famous, she's cast at the time despite of her being just a model and without any acting experience (Catherine Deneuve wanted the role of Anya so badly that she proposed to reduce her salary, but Cubby rejected her and cast Bach), so I think if Bach didn't liked the character, she should've kept her mouth shut, because also the character had never done anything wrong to her.

    And she did auditioned to the role (actually opting for a minor character), but Cubby cast her in a leading lady role.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    edited August 2023 Posts: 4,347
    I love that last shot.

    Some more:

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  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    That's a great one @zebrafish
    It's got Michael Lonsdale minus beard, and Richard Kiel and Blanche Ravalec appear to be holding hands.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Wonderful pictures. No matter what its gazillion flaws, MR symbolizes fun with Bond for me. It's a film I just absolutely love. And seeing these photos takes me back to less complicated times.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I'll be interested to see if some of the later films have the same look of fun that the Roger Moore era films appear to have. If anything can be gathered from the Moore films, is that everyone seems to having a good time.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I would doubt very much that pictures exist of scowling or upset folks. There was always a chance these end up in tabloids and the like. It seems every press go around the actors always say they were a blast to make. However we all know there were likely stress filled days with deadlines, producers wanting to come in on budget, etc.

    I would say that Bond films are likely fun, but hard work to pull off.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    thedove wrote: »
    I would doubt very much that pictures exist of scowling or upset folks. There was always a chance these end up in tabloids and the like. It seems every press go around the actors always say they were a blast to make. However we all know there were likely stress filled days with deadlines, producers wanting to come in on budget, etc.

    I would say that Bond films are likely fun, but hard work to pull off.

    Yes if anything we know that Connery was hating it, but people tend to smile for photos! :)
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited August 2023 Posts: 3,800
    Benny wrote: »
    I'll be interested to see if some of the later films have the same look of fun that the Roger Moore era films appear to have. If anything can be gathered from the Moore films, is that everyone seems to having a good time.

    Saw some behind the scenes photos of Casino Royale, it's seemed like Craig and the cast was also having a good time.
    And yes, even to the later films, everyone was also having their good time.
    mtm wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    I would doubt very much that pictures exist of scowling or upset folks. There was always a chance these end up in tabloids and the like. It seems every press go around the actors always say they were a blast to make. However we all know there were likely stress filled days with deadlines, producers wanting to come in on budget, etc.

    I would say that Bond films are likely fun, but hard work to pull off.

    Yes if anything we know that Connery was hating it, but people tend to smile for photos! :)

    If there's anything that I can say, the rest of the Behind the scenes of the James Bond films were they're all having a good time, except the Connery Era, I think, sure, they smile, but not as fun as the behind the scenes happenings in the other Bond actors' era.

    I think Connery was a bit boring to worked with too.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    I would doubt very much that pictures exist of scowling or upset folks. There was always a chance these end up in tabloids and the like. It seems every press go around the actors always say they were a blast to make. However we all know there were likely stress filled days with deadlines, producers wanting to come in on budget, etc.

    I would say that Bond films are likely fun, but hard work to pull off.

    Yes if anything we know that Connery was hating it, but people tend to smile for photos! :)

    If there's anything that I can say, the rest of the Behind the scenes of the James Bond films were they're all having a good time, except the Connery Era, I think, sure, they smile, but not as fun as the behind the scenes happenings in the other Bond actors' era.

    Wait until you see the Daltons ;)
    I think as we saw in this thread, there were just as many photos of smiling faces, but I wouldn't take that as representative of anything. Neither should it matter, should it? I like people to enjoy their work but it doesn't necessarily make it a better film.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Few more happy snaps to add. ;)

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  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited August 2023 Posts: 6,380
    Lois Chiles
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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    echo wrote: »
    Lois Chiles
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    Perm Bouvier
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    Vasser, not NASA

    Good one, @echo! :-D
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Lois Chiles is the second most beautiful Bond Girl of the Moore Era (that face and hair), after Jane Seymour.

    And also probably the Best of the Moore Era Bond Girls (the most capable, intelligent, tough, competent, and beautiful).

    One of my favorite Bond Girls.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I have to admit, I have something of a soft spot for Lois Chiles myself.
    A great addition to the series.

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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited August 2023 Posts: 5,477
    Holly Goodhead is overall a poorly written character. Often providing the audience with exposition about space and the like. No real depth here and while they tease a dynamic like Spy it makes no narrative sense for an American agent to be antagonistic to a British agent. Spy it made sense as they were on the opposite side of the cold war.

    I commend Lois for bringing what she did to the role! She makes it a better character than what was written.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited August 2023 Posts: 3,800
    thedove wrote: »
    Holly Goodhead is overall a poorly written character. Often providing the audience with exposition about space and the like. No real depth here and while they tease a dynamic like Spy it makes no narrative sense for an American agent to be antagonistic to a British agent. Spy it made sense as they were on the opposite side of the cold war.

    I commend Lois for bringing what she did to the role! She makes it a better character than what was written.

    She's tough and competent, and it's not the rivalry, but a competition on who could've get to Drax and gather information and succeed to their mission.

    Both have the same aim, same goal, and Holly Goodhead just happened to be always a step ahead of Bond (she's the first one to infiltrate Drax's facility, she's the first one to get to Brazil), meanwhile Bond was always late, she's more believable as a spy, and she's purely professional, so the depth wasn't that much needed (it's also the same with Wai Lin).

    She's independent in that she had her own moves on how to complete her mission, she doesn't even need Bond's help, let alone depending on Bond to accomplish her mission.

    Bond became antagonistic to her because he had the thought of Holly working with Chang, as it's also the coincidences that where's Holly, there's also Chang.

    She's the first Wai Lin, long before Wai Lin came, and probably much more of an interesting character than Wai Lin, because Wai Lin was just fights and fights, with Holly, there's this trust issues of Bond of whether she's to be trusted or not.

    Anya would've been better as another Tatiana Romanova, but not a well trained Military agent, she couldn't even fight for her own life and she's very dependent to Bond.

    I liked the Russian Agent vs. British Agent rivalry concept, but I felt the film didn't executed it well, because Anya herself wasn't even worthy of Bond's rival.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    She's the first Wai Lin, long before Wai Lin came.

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Interesting that Victor Tourjansky stayed in character when not filming.

  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited August 2023 Posts: 3,800
    mtm wrote: »
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    She's the first Wai Lin, long before Wai Lin came.

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    Yes, you've read it right 😅

    Think of how she fought those men in the shuttle, man, she kicked their ass and punched them, it even made Bond impressed.
    She said that she had learned it in the Vassar (?)
    And her poisonous pen syringe also saved Bond's life from a python.

    How many Bond Girls are physically tough? I mean those who could kick ass?

    Pussy Galore, Tracy, Holly Goodhead, Wai Lin, and Paloma, okay, there's Jinx, maybe Camille too, (although when it comes to punches and kicks, only a few of them would qualify, and Holly is up there).
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Maybe Camille??? She's a trained agent. And her upbringing:

    "My father worked for the military junta. He was a very cruel man... but he was my father. When I was a small child the opposition sent General Medrano to our house. He shot my father. He did things to my mother and my sister and then strangled them while I watched. I was too young to be any trouble, so he just smiled at me and set the house on fire. He left his mark."....

    I'd say she was not only trained but, through experience and her own personal history, was one tough customer.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Nomi obviously. And I think Honey was tough in the way that she looked after herself.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Oh definitely Honey…. And Nomi. But I’m a big fan of women, like Honey (especially from the novel), who are tough by virtue of their character, and not necessarily a Wai Lin specialized type of “toughness”.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    edited August 2023 Posts: 2,865
    thedove wrote: »
    Holly Goodhead is overall a poorly written character. Often providing the audience with exposition about space and the like. No real depth here and while they tease a dynamic like Spy it makes no narrative sense for an American agent to be antagonistic to a British agent. Spy it made sense as they were on the opposite side of the cold war.

    I commend Lois for bringing what she did to the role! She makes it a better character than what was written.

    I can't disagree with that.

    As I've watched TSWLM more and more over the years, I've come to the conclusion that Barbara Bach's "acting" really brings the film down. While still a worse film overall, Lois actually elevates her role in MR (IMO).
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Moving on...

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  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited August 2023 Posts: 3,800
    Dwayne wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    Holly Goodhead is overall a poorly written character. Often providing the audience with exposition about space and the like. No real depth here and while they tease a dynamic like Spy it makes no narrative sense for an American agent to be antagonistic to a British agent. Spy it made sense as they were on the opposite side of the cold war.

    I commend Lois for bringing what she did to the role! She makes it a better character than what was written.

    I can't disagree with that.

    As I've watched TSWLM more and more over the years, I've come to the conclusion that Barbara Bach's "acting" really brings the film down. While still a worse film overall, Lois actually elevates her role in MR (IMO).

    Man, it's not just the acting.

    The premise about her was pretty clear, she's made out to be Bond's equal, a well trained Military Agent, the problem was, we didn't saw it, the film never showed her full capabilities.
    She's just kinda.....there, she drove a van in Egypt and that's all, the rest was her being passive and standing beside Bond, depending on him all the time.

    If that's the case, then better for the film not to give her such a background like that, I'm fine with her being a Tatiana Romanova or Tilly Masterson type of character (a woman who wants a revenge against the man responsible for her boyfriend's death), but a well trained Military agent? She's not believable in that, and I don't buy her as this well trained KGB/Military agent.

    She's pretty weak and incompetent for such an agent, just remove that agent part and I'm okay with it, she's not even professional either.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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