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Would you rather a PTS with a big stunt or action piece OR a more grounded PTS?

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  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    Neither, honestly and I'm saying that as someone who never stop bleating about how much I love Young Bond and Double or Nothing. I think the Alex Rider series shows you can do a teenage spy story well but Young Bond has the additional hurdle of being a prequel of the greatest fictional spy in history and being set in the 1930s. Ultimately they're two different mediums and what works in one won't necessarily work in the other and that's okay.

    Plus there is the argument that any televised spin-off dilutes the brand rather than bolsters it, which looking at the Marvel and Star Wars shows (Andor being the exception) I think EON have made the right call. Also I don't want Amazon to exert any more influence that they already have.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Neither! 'Nuff said!
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    Young Bond.

    A Bond series without Bond is like a Elvis movie without Elvis.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Expansion. Don't we all dream of a Paloma spin-off? 😅
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Neither for me, so this is a pass.
    Next question, please? 😊
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Expansion. Don't we all dream of a Paloma spin-off? 😅

    When you put it like that 🥰 I'd love for her to team up with Nomi but then you have an actual situation where there'd be two 007s.

    I just need one good female-led spy franchise, Atomic Blonde 2 would suffice
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think Nomi is a cool enough character for her own spin-off, but the problem is that, as you say, she is another 007, so she'd just be in James Bond's role in a James Bond story, which seems rather pointless.
    I'd rather go for a Moneypenny spin-off with Harris, as at least 'Penny is in a slightly different, less actiony role, and I think Harris is great. But of course spinning off from the Craig films wouldn't make any sense as that continuity is over.

    I see that Amazon have just recently launched a John Wick spin-off. So you can bet they're asking for some more Bond side projects.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited October 2023 Posts: 4,638
    CharmianBond wrote: »
    Neither, honestly and I'm saying that as someone who never stop bleating about how much I love Young Bond and Double or Nothing. I think the Alex Rider series shows you can do a teenage spy story well but Young Bond has the additional hurdle of being a prequel of the greatest fictional spy in history and being set in the 1930s. Ultimately they're two different mediums and what works in one won't necessarily work in the other and that's okay.

    Plus there is the argument that any televised spin-off dilutes the brand rather than bolsters it, which looking at the Marvel and Star Wars shows (Andor being the exception) I think EON have made the right call. Also I don't want Amazon to exert any more influence that they already have.

    I’d rather IFP do character spin-offs before EON does. The two you mentioned are proof that there is a certain amount of the fans who want to see new things in Bond’s world. I still propose modern day era spin-offs with villains. I have modern day spinoff ideas for Goldfinger, Blofeld (with Irma Bunt) Scaramanga and Trevelyan. While we don’t like waiting for new Bond material, at least Bond isn’t as overexposed at this point as the MCU. That’s my shocking Bond confession of the day. At least we have breathing space with James Bond.
    mtm wrote: »
    I think Nomi is a cool enough character for her own spin-off, but the problem is that, as you say, she is another 007, so she'd just be in James Bond's role in a James Bond story, which seems rather pointless.
    I'd rather go for a Moneypenny spin-off with Harris, as at least 'Penny is in a slightly different, less actiony role, and I think Harris is great. But of course spinning off from the Craig films wouldn't make any sense as that continuity is over.

    I see that Amazon have just recently launched a John Wick spin-off. So you can bet they're asking for some more Bond side projects.

    Interesting viewpoints. Amazon arguably got one Bond spinoff with Road To A Million. Yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if they have asked EON for something more traditional for Bond. So just narrowly, spin-offs for other characters, preferably from IFP before EON.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    Yeah, I agree, Road to a Million has to be a compromise that is Bond related but it's not a piece of fiction. The question is how long can EON keep batting Amazon away. I think it's important to keep the movies as standalone exclusive things that don't come along everyday and then the rest of franchise can fill the gaps.

    I like that the comics are more willing to play about in the sandbox, with the Goldfinger and Mr Big reimagining. Given we're seeing it a bit with 007: Cypher I would definitely be up for more of that.

    I like the idea of a Moneypenny spin off, but yeah I wouldn't really want anyone apart from Harris in live action and the Craig era is best left alone now. The comics' Moneypenny is basically Eve in all but name but her solo comic left something to be desired. I'd love for them to take another crack at it though.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    I don't think EON can make spin offs. They can hardly make James Bond movies. It is a lot of work.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited October 2023 Posts: 4,638
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    I don't think EON can make spin offs. They can hardly make James Bond movies. It is a lot of work.

    That is true. Mostly due to MGM being bankrupt in the film department, and Bond’s high budget costs. Amazon could definitely help in the budget department. And if they have Purvis and Wade write everything in some way, someone will be resigning, in real life and the movie. So it’s a mixed bag. I’d rather IFP and Dynamite Comics handle spin-offs for the time being. We got the 2nd 00 book coming in April next year, and everyone will see how that goes. Not too mention, Kim Sherwood has most of the 3rd 00 book written. I think IFP, Dynamite, EON, MGM and Amazon will take a look at how that trilogy does before truly doing more Bond spin-offs. I do honestly hope for some for the future.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2023 Posts: 16,428
    The only spin off I like the idea of is a Scaramanga one (as in the movie version) because he's close enough to being Bond, with the ladies, gadgets, cars, glamour, style etc. to satisfy the appetite of someone who enjoys what the Bond films supply, and he's still completely other to being what Bond is, so wouldn't just feel like a Bond understudy in a standard 007 story. And he even comes with the built-in iconography of the golden gun.
    Plus it wouldn't need to sit in any kind of specific film continuity i.e. not necessarily in CraigBond's world.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    We don’t want another James Bond Jr.

    You say that but deep down in the list of members on this website sits two massive James Bond Jr. fans awaiting a complete series release on Blu-Ray…

    Christ 😦

    I still find it incredibly weird that EON sanctioned off on that show actually. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if EON feels quite ashamed of it these days.

    I suppose the only reason they wouldn’t is because it’s not a show widely known about beyond being an oddity (in my experience).

    And hey, if EON wanted to discourage Amazon from any Bond side projects they could suggest an updated version of James Bond jr.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Neither. With the possible caveat of more Paloma, obvs. Generally, however, if there's a great story to tell, I'd rather they save it for Bond.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    No Bond Tv thanks..
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I sort of agree, but then in a way it's sort of funny that games are seen as fine and yet TV isn't. Also books, comics etc.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    I don't think EON can make spin offs. They can hardly make James Bond movies. It is a lot of work.

    That is true. Mostly due to MGM being bankrupt in the film department, and Bond’s high budget costs. Amazon could definitely help in the budget department. And if they have Purvis and Wade write everything in some way, someone will be resigning, in real life and the movie. So it’s a mixed bag. I’d rather IFP and Dynamite Comics handle spin-offs for the time being. We got the 2nd 00 book coming in April next year, and everyone will see how that goes. Not too mention, Kim Sherwood has most of the 3rd 00 book written. I think IFP, Dynamite, EON, MGM and Amazon will take a look at how that trilogy does before truly doing more Bond spin-offs. I do honestly hope for some for the future.

    Similar to Disney buying Lucasfilm, Amazon is going to want to get their money back as soon as possible. Aka Disney wants Star Wars as soon as possible, even it means repeating story beats. They already lost a million dollars on Road to a Million ;) they’ll want a movie, due to the for-sure money maker.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I think as well if Amazon do want to expand beyond the films and EON are game, even if I personally think it's a huge risk, I'd advise to wait until they've established the new era and the new actor and see the general reaction from audiences.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I am digging all the neither responses. I guess we are just as protective of Bond as Barbara and Michael are. They get criticized for not producing films, games etc. They are keeping it purely on the cinematic experience, some give them grief as you end up with years between projects.

    I would dig a young Bond version or show. If you are going to keep the movies in the PG-13 realm, then having a more kid friendly version of the show and character would allow for younger fans to join the fandom. I always admired Cubby for making Bond more suitable to the whole family with the adventures.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The irony being that I'm not sure a faithful adaptation of the Higson books would actually be viewable by kids! It gets pretty gruesome at times.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    mtm wrote: »
    The irony being that I'm not sure a faithful adaptation of the Higson books would actually be viewable by kids! It gets pretty gruesome at times.
    I actually think Higson adaptations, if done well enough, could almost be a James Bond/The Crown hybrid.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    They would be very expensive for TV shows though; quite a bit happens on a big scale in them.
  • UnivexUnivex
    edited October 2023 Posts: 6,709
    I hate the notion of “young Bond” and I hated James Bond Jr. Bond was made for adults. Appealing to younger audiences would be a big mistake, IMO. Just the other day I was at the pictures watching the new fabulous The three musketeers from Martin Bourboulon, and kids as old as 15 were laughing throughout, sticking to their stupid games on their phones and one shoutted “the film was sh*t!” at the end. They laughed at death scenes, looked at their phone screens during more sensual scenes and didn’t remotly understand the plot. And we advocate that Bond should speak to this lot? Nah, they need education. They need to be told what’s good and what’s not. And I’m a bloody liberal.

    So no “young Bond” for me. Never.

    But…

    I’d also hate it if they expanded the Bond universe for Amazon. Always was agaisnt spin offs and I have no interest in other Bond lore characters besides James Bond himself.

    So, I’d say no to both 😉 There’s no lesser evil to choose. Both would be disasters, IMO.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I will not post a James Bond Jr Season 2 image.

    I will not.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    If forced to choose, I would take young Bond over an expanded universe. Let's face it; the supporting characters are kind of thin, more archetypes than anything.

    The only way young Bond might work is with a CGI Connery (as much as I'm against CGI, I can't see it working with any other actor).

    But I'd probably still hate it.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Very interesting thoughts. I hadn't thought of a CGI actor @echo I am with you on the idea not being good. I guess I was thinking of the Young Indiana Jones series and was basing my thoughts on the young Bond as something worth going after.

    Lets move on to another choice!

    Lets talk non-Bond or at least the other roles that Bond actors have done. Some did films during their time as Bond, others went on, or are currently having careers after their time of double-o-7 had come to an end.

    For the purposes of this would you rather lets see about those roles! We shall pit Sir Sean against Daniel. This might not be a fair comparison to make, but here it goes:

    Sean had some trouble in the immediate after years of taking on other roles. The performances were uneven. In fact because of his career stagnating, I think that is the only reason he returned to play Bond one last time in 1983. After NSNA he went on to win an Oscar and star in some action films that kept his career active.

    Daniel was known as a actor's actor before Bond. When he was cast many hadn't seen a Daniel Craig film. Since Daniel has become the face of another franchise "Knives Out". Daniel has also tried his hand a variety of roles and had some success, but nothing nearly as big as Bond.

    Would you rather watch a Sean Connery film OR a Daniel Craig film

    Remember I am not talking about Bond film, I am talking another film that features the actor. Tell us what film and why, or keep it general and tell us why you prefer that actor.


  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    A bit unfair, as Connery had a longer career than Craig. I like both actors, but Connery has been in a lot more enjoyable films outside of Bond. 'The Hill', 'The Man who would be King', ' The First Great Train Robbery', ' Outland', 'The Wind and The Lion', to name but a few! 'The Hill' is a standout performance, so I would pick that!
    Of Daniel, only really 'Layer Cake' and 'Munich' stand out for me!
    So it has to be Connery!
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited October 2023 Posts: 3,789
    The only one I've enjoyed from Craig so far is Knives Out (I haven't watched Glass Onion yet), the rest were kinda okay, the films that I've seen from him tend to be more dark and serious, more matured than his Bond films, and there's Craig always showing his body, there's always a touch of sexuality into his films, that's why I really liked his take as Benoit Blanc, a role against the type, less sexual and more fun.

    So for that matter, I'd go with Connery, his filmography is more diverse and remarkable, it could vary from different genre, he doesn't need to show his body in every of his films, they're more fun and memorable, while there are some romantic scenes in his films, it doesn't need to go erotic like some of Craig's films.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    I'm ashamed to say I've not seen any of Connery filmography except for Bond. Craig's filmography (despite his acting be brilliant) is very hit or miss but on the other hand: Knives Out and Glass Onion.

    Thus my love of Daniel Craig continues unabated 😅
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    Let’s see… Layer Cake, Logan Lucky, the two Benoit Blanc movies (all of which I vastly prefer to any of Craig’s Bond films) vs. The Man Who Would Be King, The Great Train Robbery, The Name Of The Rose, The Untouchables…
    Connery all day long!
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