Would you rather attend a casino in Monte Carlo GE or sip cocktails on the rooftops of Shanghai SF?

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  • Posts: 12,518
    I’d like to see The Property of a Lady and Risico get used, so I’ll go with a Fleming title, as long as the movie around the title works. As for the other two remaining, The Hildebrand Rarity and 007 in New York, they could still work but I like the first two titles more.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I’d be happy if EoN used the chapter of a book by Fleming, or come up with one of their own.
    So long as they’re creative and we don’t get
    On His Majesty’s Secret Service.
  • Posts: 12,518
    Benny wrote: »
    I’d be happy if EoN used the chapter of a book by Fleming, or come up with one of their own.
    So long as they’re creative and we don’t get
    On His Majesty’s Secret Service.

    Yes, there is a TON of opportunity in using chapter titles as film names! Two of my favorites that immediately come to mind are The Silver Phantom from LALD and A Bird with a Wing Down from TSWLM.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    The Eye That Never Sleeps is the best chapter title from Fleming that I could see.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2023 Posts: 16,589
    delfloria wrote: »
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    thedove wrote: »
    Good stuff! I am not sure about the alley scene, I believe in the DVD behind the scenes info they mentioned that the stunt went off beautifully, but the crowd was standing on the corner and it didn't look right. So they re-shot it and the driver didn't realize that he was doing it the wrong way until Hamilton was looking over the new take. He quickly decided to do insert shots of Connery and St. John and to make it appear better as a re-shot wasn't going to be possible again. I would say it was a sloppy way of fixing and for the error in the first place.

    Ok on to another lets pit Roger against Pierce. Roger had a strong debut, and then took a mis-step with TMWTGG. Many find it to be lacklustre, to play against Roger's strengths and to be a rushed film.

    In Pierce's case I was going to use DAD but I think everyone would just pile on and call it a terrible film, so lets use TWINE instead. Many find it to be a soap opera drama. The film is often cited as bungling a female villain and Christmas Jones also gets some critics going.

    Would you rather watch Roger in TMWTGG OR Pierce in TWINE?

    Before the above comment gets lost in the thread, all I can say is that I was there and I have reservations about what was said on the DVD extras.

    If they did the alley shot afterwards to match the Vegas exit, did they build the alley and brick ‘ramp’ for the driver?

    Yes, the ramp and alley were sets built for the sequence. Reason being is that when you put a car up on two wheels the car actually becomes 1/2 times WIDER than on all four. Height of the roof and the wheels sticking out etc. The alley set was built so that it's width could be adjusted. For the POV shot approaching the alley it is in it's tight or small mode. Then the set was adjusted to it's wide setting to allow the actual mustang to pass through. I still have the blueprints.

    That's very interesting, thank you- you can certainly see in the film that the alleyway gets wider, and is in fact wide enough to drive the car through normally when it does pass through it! I’d never spotted that before.
    I do kind of wonder why they didn't get another driver who could do it if they were constructing the whole set for him. I would have thought that driving it with the driver in the higher position would have been even harder than at the lower position- that's how most stunt drivers seem to do it anyway.

    The driver on the Universal shoot was different from the one in Vegas. He tried several times to put the car up on the appropriate wheels but it fell down each time he approached the alley. It seemed like he had not practiced enough to get the car up on that side. As time was running out they had him do it on the opposite wheels for a couple of takes and when he succeeded they wrapped. My guess is that the driver had practiced on the wrong side. Miscommunication was probably the culprit.

    But they would have had to almost completely the rebuild the set and camera positions to do that, surely? That must’ve taken quite a bit of time. And as it is in the film, I’m both shots the car is travelling left-right. If the ramp had been on the right of the car it would have been against the right wall and the car would be travelling right-to-left in the shot?
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    I’d be happy if EoN used the chapter of a book by Fleming, or come up with one of their own.
    So long as they’re creative and we don’t get
    On His Majesty’s Secret Service.

    Yes, there is a TON of opportunity in using chapter titles as film names! Two of my favorites that immediately come to mind are The Silver Phantom from LALD and A Bird with a Wing Down from TSWLM.

    Perchance To Die from TSWLM is the strongest for me.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
    Posts: 558
    Could've used Dead Reckoning if MI hadn't gotten there first and Thor: Love and Thunder has probably ruined 'Blood and Thunder' for a while, plus it's just a bit generic.

    Idk I think they should probably get Risico off the board. Correct me if I'm wrong but Pierce is the only Bond not to have their first outing's title come from a Fleming story? Having a Fleming title for Bond 26/Bond #007 feels right.

    But apart from their over reliance on the word 'die' I'm kind of happy with the titles EON have come up with over the years and anyway what's in a name?
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    First off on the last round, some love from me to Denise Richards, whom I think get's unjustly critisized for beeing too hot (and too sexy dressed) for a nuclear scientist. Both arguments beeing rubbish, obviously, as there's no reason in the world nuclear scientists couldn't be flaming hot and dress like that in the scourching heat. I can only hope her showing in the film might have inspired girls not to only use their looks, but their brains too.
    That said, she's definately hampered by a script that doesn't portray her as smart. They could've improved on that tremendously (and made her more believable) with just the slightest adjustments.
    TMWTGG in my opinion just goes all over the place in tone and performance. Moore plays it properly, with the serious tone of somebody beeing hunted (or, indeed, thinking he's beeing hunted) but then we have the nieces, we have the Sherriff returning, the slide whistle, nick nack.
    Twine shure has it's flaws, plenty of them, and again most of that lies in the script. Why would Bond suddenly bent over the woman who betrayed him? Bond as we know him from the books (and indeed, Craig's portrayal) would close his heart immediately and be driven by revenge.
    Still, I think TWINE is more interesting to watch. The story has a bit more venom, a bit more spice to it, and on the whole the film is made just that little bit better.

    Now, on the titles:
    I really don't care that much, as long as they use them in a proper setting. I think (A) Quantum of Solace is a genious title, but they shouldn't have called the organisation 'Quantum'. After all, the film was about that little quantum of solace left in Bond after Vesper's betrayal.
    But there are plenty of (chapter)titles from Fleming that could be used, again, if used correctly.
    The Hildebrant rarity could be a scientific breakthrough (I don't think a fish is good enough for the cinematic JB)
    Property of a Lady could be used for indeed something that's auctioned off, or the (illigal) transfer of (nuclear) weapons, etc. etc.

    Some more chapter titles that could be used:

    Moonraker - The Columbite King
    You Only Live Twice - Blood And Thunder
    From Russia With Love - The Wizard Of Ice
    DIamonds are Forever - Bitter Champagne
    OHMSS - Hell's Delight

    So, plenty to choose from, and there are many more. I think all these are just better than anything they've come up with themselves except for Goldeneye, which I think is a fantastic title. SF beeing not too far behind.
  • Posts: 4,294
    I might be in the minority, but I actually don’t think either ‘Property of a Lady’ or ‘The Hildebrand Rarity’ are suitable for Bond films. Risico’s fine, but even that doesn’t bring much to mind. I think they’re better off with original titles.
  • Posts: 9,856
    Fleming title… there are way too many good chapter titles to not be used….

    Also of the Four unrelated to fleming titles i really only like Skyfall

    No time to die should of been Garden of death
    Die another day should of been the quickness of the hand (since its an adaptation of moonraker)

    Anyways sorry getting distracted here.

    Fleming titles are the way to go and if we count Goldeneye as a fleming title (he did name his house that) then each previous bond actor had a fleming title at the start of their tenure with at least 10-20 good fleming titles left (character names like blofeld, short story titles like Risico and chapter titles like A whisper of love a whisper of hate) there is no good reason to go original
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Mostly original, with some Fleming chapters used. EON should only use die or kill for one reason. If it’s the title of a continuation novel that they choose to adapt.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Give me unused Fleming material any day of the week, whether it's an unused title, chapter, or even selection of words that would be fitting.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Quantum of Solace is a Fleming title.

    Good point! LOL! I was tired when I wrote this. ;)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2023 Posts: 16,589
    007HallY wrote: »
    I might be in the minority, but I actually don’t think either ‘Property of a Lady’ or ‘The Hildebrand Rarity’ are suitable for Bond films. Risico’s fine, but even that doesn’t bring much to mind. I think they’re better off with original titles.

    No I'm with you; pretty much all of the chapter titles are just bad as film titles, and even fewer of them sound appropriately Bond-y. 'The Columbite King' just doesn't sound anything like a 007 movie.
    Risico is, as you say, fine if slightly bland, but the remaining titles just aren't up to much.

    The continuation novels have come up with much better titles: Devil May Care, Carte Blanche, even Double Or Nothing - those have Bond written all over them. So I vote to keep coming up with original titles.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I'm neither here nor there on this one, as long as the title is good.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited October 2023 Posts: 3,155
    Yeah, tbf, a lot of the chapter titles do sound a bit too close to something like an episode of an afternoon tv detective show now. Jessica Fletcher and the case of the Hildebrand Rarity, etc. Agree with mtm that Risico is about the most useable but, again, if there'd been a '70s tv show about a maverick New York detective called Risico who got the job done despite his unconventional methods and the frustrations of his captain, etc, etc, would it really be all that surprising? I think we might've mined the seam by this point, tbh.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited October 2023 Posts: 6,369
    'Round and 'round...

    Risico is the obvious, most flexible one to use. Vaguely mysterious. Could be a person, could be a mission name, could be a company (RisiCo). Title song could easily incorporate it.

    (As an aside, I miss the mission names, one of the best continuing elements of FYEO-OP.)

    The Property of a Lady works, I think, if the story fits. It would be nice to have a long Fleming title again.

    The others, no. The Hildebrand Rarity is even more cumbersome than Quantum of Solace. Still shocked they used that one, so what do I know.
  • Posts: 7,534
    According to John Glen, 'Risico' was going to be a potential title after LTK. I think it is the best of whats left of Fleming! 'The Hildebrand Rarity' just doesn't sound very Bond like!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,693
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    According to John Glen, 'Risico' was going to be a potential title after LTK. I think it is the best of whats left of Fleming! 'The Hildebrand Rarity' just doesn't sound very Bond like!

    Source, please.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    thedove wrote: »
    Fleming titles left would be Risico, The Hillebrand Rarity, Property of a Lady, 007 in New York.

    I have to ask Mi6 community

    Would you rather the next film have a Fleming based title OR the producers create their own?

    I'd like a Fleming based title but only if it suits the actual story of the film itself. Save the remaining Fleming titles for only when they would actually work.

  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2023 Posts: 5,970
    As others have mentioned, Risico is the the best Fleming title left and to be honest the only one I can see working. I’m down for original titles as I think some have been quite good and after a while immediately cement themselves within the rest. I’m also open to using titles from the continuation novels. For example, Role Of Honour is a title I’ve liked for while.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,369
    Denbigh wrote: »
    For example, Role Of Honour is a title I’ve liked for while.

    I can only hear this title in the voice of Hervé Villechaize.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I hear it in the voice of the caddy from GF. "But it's your honour sir."
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I'd like something Fleming related for Bond 26, especially if the next era of the series is a bit of different direction
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Great point @Jordo007 great way to set your tone for the new fella!

    Okay lets move on to another thought that popped into my head, double bills! We used to have double bills at the theatres when I was a young one. I recall seeing a double bill of Dirty Dancing and The Princess Bride. But I digress.

    Often the producers would trot out a double bill to refresh the audience and to re-release films. Remember in the days of the 60's and some of the 70's home viewing was limited to a showing on TV.

    For this would you rather I am going to propose a couple double bills and see which one you would rather watch.

    Would you rather watch a double bill of OHMSS and FYEO OR a double bill of CR and QOS?

    It was suggested on a James Bond and Friends podcast that watching OHMSS and FYEO back to back works, despite the different Bond actors the themes of the films and the settings seem to align well. Whether it's Bond wearing a blue ski jacket or Bond visiting the grave of Tracy at the start there are some threads that connect the two films.

    The CR and QOS double bill is a different one, same Bond actor and a literal follow up with QOS taking place mere minutes after CR. We have the Vesper fall out playing out as James tries to navigate his feelings for Vesper and her impact on his life.

    Which double bill would you rather watch?
  • Posts: 4,294
    CR and QOS simply because it feels more like a double bill with the same actor/storyline carried through. That and I’d almost never willingly sit through FYEO.
  • Posts: 12,518
    Both are pretty good choices, but I’d go with CR and QOS for the additional consistency.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Oof, that's a tough one. I think I'd also have to pick CR/QOS just because of the tonal consistency and story connection weaved between the two, all with the same actor. OHMSS and FYEO are some of my favorites too though.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    CR/QoS goes together like steak and a full bodied red wine…

    OHMSS/FYEO feels like a lovely Rib Eye paired with a nice white wine that has no business being with said Ribeye. I mean, I like that white wine on its own, but not paired with the dynamic and satiating features of that Ribeye!

    CR/QoS for me, please.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
    Posts: 558
    OHMSS is top 5 for me but I can take or leave FYEO, whereas CR is number 1 and my nostalgic admiration for QoS can carry me through. Plus it's the shortest and like @Creasy47 says they do form a (mostly) coherent duology.
  • Posts: 7,534
    That is a tough one! OHMSS is my favourite Bond, but that double bill of CR/QOS I have watched many times and its superb viewing so I will go with that!
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