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Would you rather Bond return to his cultural knowledge OR Bond return to the one-liner?

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  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    I choose the raconteur.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    Kerim Bey is an entertaining old devil but I'll take Tokyo. I'd love the chance to see a side of the city that most will miss, though all the lessons in etiquette might get a bit tiresome.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Tough one. I prefer FRWL and Ali Kerim Bey, but I hate coffee. I tried Sake once or twice, didn't find it great, bit will have to choose it by default.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I love both men, and I really love coffee— Kerim Bey…
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I'm very familiar with Japan and sake, recognizing Tanaka impresses and is a great host.

    Hope to visit Turkey next year, Arabic coffee is also in memory. Still different from Turkish coffee.

    So I'd enjoy Turkish coffee with Kerim Bey, on the idea I'm not so much the talker and would enjoy hearing about his particularly fascinating life.


  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Coffee with Kerim.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Great stuff! Both men and cities have their draws for sure.

    Lets stick with the allies and head to Roger's films.

    Visit a jazz club in New Orleans with Felix OR learn tennis from Vijay in Udaipur?

    One hand, a peer that is a friend. Great music in a wonderful city. You may need to be careful on where to sit I hear some seats fall and others turn!

    The other option is to learn tennis and see if your backhand can improve like his other clients. You'd be learning in a lush vibrant city!
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Jazz club with Felix.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I know how to drink and have enough New Orleans jazz in my collection, and have been to the U.S. several times (though, alas, not to New Orleans). But I haven't played tennis in more than 40 years and haven't been to India, so Vijay and Udaipur it is.
  • Baltimore_007_Baltimore_007_
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    Not one for Jazz although Big Easy is a fine city that has a lot to offer. Think maybe the tennis lesson is worth a try although don't expect to be no Jimmy Connors by time it's over. If it means a trip to India then hell why not.
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    It's less about jazz and more about hanging out with Felix.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Udaipur has some wonderful places, but on the whole it's like the most of India, polluted, filthy, and you can get ill easily (so I did). Playing tennis in the tropics isn't that good an idea anyway.
    Now, I've never been to New Orleans, but what I understand of the city is quite promising, for anything American. And Felix is definately a guy I could hang out with. As long as they indeed don't put ice in my whiskey, I'll be just fine.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Jazz club in New Orleans, hands down.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I've played tennis but never been to a jazz club, so the latter. And since you're all wondering, yes, I do have Vijay's racquet and the 1973 magazine advert claiming B.J. Arnau to be 'the only one who sings' Live and Let Die. (Nice try, Harry.)
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    First stop Felix's Restaurant and Oyster Bar on Iberville Street. Again.

    Then straight to the Jazz club vicinity Charles Street. French Quarter. Wish me luck.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    It's less about jazz and more about hanging out with Felix.

    Yes, and my favourite Felix too. I'll take it.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I watched LALD two days ago, I rather like jazz and David's Felix is a lovely fellow. I'll go with that one. Maybe I'll have a bourbon without ice, although I hear that's extra.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Lets jump to the Brosnan era and throw out this one!

    Would you rather talk and learn about caviar from Zukovsky OR learn the art of cigars from Raoul?

    Both men live in a communist regime but both have a charm and grace about them. Both men appear to appreciate the finer things in life. So which one would you rather spend some time with?
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    Both great characters. But I have to go with Zukovsky here.

    “Chill Out James!”
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    жуковский и высшеяо кауества икра белужья изготовпена в баку!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Both are great characters, but I'm not much of a smoker and I love good food so I'll be going for the caviar.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I don't smoke. I'll go for caviar.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Correction, your honor...at least Zukovsky, at the time of TWINE, does not live in a Communist regime, or he wouldn't be able to run his capitalist business (however successful). And @QBranch, his name is зуковский, not жуковский.

    Apart from that, I care neither for caviar nor for cigars, but I find the latter more interesting and less fishy. I also like Raoul and am not so sure about Valentin, TBH.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Thanks @j_w_pepper for the clarifications. I was trying too hard to link the two men together.

    Interesting to see caviar getting slightly more love than cigars.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    And @QBranch, his name is зуковский, not жуковский.
    Yeah I know it's not quite right, but what I wrote - that's exactly how it's spelt and worded on the caviar labels in the film. There's always some small anomaly found when you translate the text-based props to English. Every time.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    Zukovsky seems like he'd be a lot of fun. We'd probably spend the evening in his casino and he could dish the dirt on the circumstances in which Bond shot him.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    QBranch wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    And @QBranch, his name is зуковский, not жуковский.
    Yeah I know it's not quite right, but what I wrote - that's exactly how it's spelt and worded on the caviar labels in the film. There's always some small anomaly found when you translate the text-based props to English. Every time.

    OK, explanation accepted (don't remember the caviar labels). Actually, I always found it more likely that his name should be Zhukovsky (жуковский) as you wrote, so I guess they just goofed the pronunciation in the movie. Just like with Rene Mathis, who should be pronounced like the artist Matisse instead of English-style. Or Dr. Kaufman(n), who should have a second n in the end if he was supposed to be German.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Square box and round jar/tin labels seen in the film. Details viewed better in auction listings. Caviar advertising would return in the 2000 video game.

    I enjoyed a Cuban cigar in the nightclub once, but it has to be caviar. I wanted to make the Zukovsky jars, so began to dine on caviar. Just small jars of no more of 50 grams. I took a jar to work and intended to eat it atop Ritz crackers in secret with just one co-worker, but lo and behold, several other employees just happened to enter my workspace at the time of feasting. They all showed surprise at the sight of said caviar, especially the lady who thought she'd surprise us with a bowl of gummy worms. Brushing the gift aside, I told her that's peasant food to us, but okay with champagne.

    The Meal

    Ritz or Jatz crackers, 10x or however many fit onto a dinner plate
    cheese slices, split into 4 squares, one on top of each cracker
    Holland House black caviar 50g, one 'generous level' teaspoon on top of each cracker
    green pitted olives, one on top of each cracker

    Ideally washed down with a bottle of Smirnoff black, Valentin's drink of choice. Can't have that at work though *burp*
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Fascinating discussion. @QBranch I'm no expert, but tbh that sounds quite nice. Peasant food is probably the food I like most anyway.

    now, back to the question itself. Zhukovsky (I'll stick to the @j_w_pepper spelling) worked for the KGB, now FSB. Yes, he seems like a fun character, but so does Putin when he wants to. I think Bond's 'professional courtesy' was a mistake. Yes, Zhukovsky helps him to take care of Janus, but that's only out of his own interest. Same with Elektra. And he still makes money out of it. So, considering my own connections, it'd be better to stay away.

    Now, Raoul is an oddball. He runs a cigar factory, and at the same time has 'services' to party officials that aren't too clear. He's a 'sleeper agent', but he doesn't want to betray his country? Does he mean he is loyal to some sort of democratic underground? For beeing a sleeper agent would be enough for the current regime to classify him as a traitor. Working with Bond, however innocent, would as well.
    I did smoke some cuban cigars after I got them there (esplendidos) and I loved the taste, but not the aftertaste, which I find horrible. But that goes for cigars in general. But a good explanation on how they're made I find fascinating none-the less. So, for my own safety, and the setting, I'll go for Raoul in Cuba.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    And @QBranch, his name is зуковский, not жуковский.
    Yeah I know it's not quite right, but what I wrote - that's exactly how it's spelt and worded on the caviar labels in the film. There's always some small anomaly found when you translate the text-based props to English. Every time.

    OK, explanation accepted (don't remember the caviar labels). Actually, I always found it more likely that his name should be Zhukovsky (жуковский) as you wrote, so I guess they just goofed the pronunciation in the movie. Just like with Rene Mathis, who should be pronounced like the artist Matisse instead of English-style. Or Dr. Kaufman(n), who should have a second n in the end if he was supposed to be German.

    Exactly. Another one that can be added here is last name Sciarra from SP. If you write it like that then the pronunciation should be "Sharra" and not "Skiarra" as they say in the film. If you want it to sound like "Skiarra" the correct spelling would be Schiarra.
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