Would you rather Bond return to his cultural knowledge OR Bond return to the one-liner?

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  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I can't stand cough syrups like Campari or Aperol (both made by the same company, by the way), not to mention stuff like Jägermeister or all those other herb-based liqueurs. They're either too sweet, or too bitter, or both.

    Give me even a mediocre sherry over any of those liquid candies any time. "There is no year for sherry, 007." Ok, but there is always a season for it. :-)
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Campari with Draco sounds very fine, as long as I'm on his good side.

    Maybe he'd let me follow it up with an Americano.
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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I love Campari, and Draco seems like enjoyable company, so no doubt in my mind what I'd choose.
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    Tough one. I might try the Campari, if only because I generally love Italian stuff and it sounds more exotic.
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    Really not a fan of Campari or anything that uses it (Negronis or Americanos aren’t my thing). So the sherry.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I love Campari so this is an easy one for me. Marvelous.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I absolutely detest Campari, wheras I do like a good Sherry. But a chance to sit and talk to Draco I wouldn't want to miss for the world. Some people are definately worth accepting some discomfort for. So I'll pretend to drink a bit and sit with Draco.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited November 15 Posts: 5,429
    Bond isn't always about the finer things in terms of drink. So I have to ask:

    Would you rather drink red wine with fish OR have a bottle of Phu-Yuck?

    Red Grant made the mistake of drinking red wine with his sole. Chat GPT states the following about why this isn't a wise choice:

    Drinking red wine with fish can sometimes create an unpleasant metallic taste because certain red wines contain higher levels of tannins, which can clash with fish oils. Tannins, the compounds responsible for that dry, astringent sensation, can react with the iodine in fish, resulting in flavors that don’t harmonize well. This reaction can give a slightly bitter or metallic aftertaste, especially with delicate white fish.

    On the other hand we have the following from TMWTGG.

    I always thought the wine shared by Bond and Goodnight was a joke written by the screenwriters. Turns out it is a real brand of wine in Thailand. Chat GPT describes it below:

    Phuyuck wine, which originates from Thailand, has a reputation more for its quirky name than its flavor. The wine is generally considered to be low quality, with a taste profile that can be described as rough, harsh, and somewhat acidic. It’s typically produced from local grape varieties not commonly used in premium winemaking, which contributes to its rather unrefined flavor. The taste is often compared to vinegar or overly sour fruit, with minimal complexity, making it a unique yet challenging drink for those used to more refined wines.

    In recent years, however, Thailand and other parts of Southeast Asia have made strides in viticulture and winemaking, so modern wines from the region are evolving. But Phuyuck remains a novelty wine with a particular reputation for being an acquired taste.

    So which are you drinking?
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    A Cab with everything.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Well that depends whether or not we can freely fill in 'red wine with fish'. Some fish recipes are a bit stronger flavoured than others and might just work with a lighter red wine. For instance swordfish with tomatoes, olives and capers ("pesce spada alla siciliana"), which is delicious, may just work with a light red wine like pinot nero, or a stronger white wine like a moscato from Southern Italy or the Balkans, because you also need to balance out the strong flavours of tomatoes and capers. Personally, I'd still go for the latter here, but maybe the former may work.

    Now if we're not allowed to cheat that way and strictly have to do what Grant does, pairing grilled sol with Chianti, which doesn't match at all, not for me at least, I'd eat my fish first, drink a glass of water, and enjoy my Chianti afterwards with a few slices of bread.

    As for Phuyuk, I looked it up and it appears a fictional wine and in the film they make it pretty clear it's not supposed to be good. And life's too short for bad wine.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited November 15 Posts: 14,576
    The Phuyuck bottle in the film is a re-labelled Moet and Chandon champagne, you can see 'Moet' written on the back of the neck as the waiter presents it.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    QBranch wrote: »
    The Phuyuck bottle in the film is a re-labelled Moet and Chandon champagne, you can see 'Moet' written on the back of the neck as the waiter presents it.

    In that case I'll definately go for the Phuyuck. The one from the film, that is.

    Other than that, wine and fish, in which there's plenty of cheating possible to make it bearable (as @GoldenGun ) noted as well.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Well that depends whether or not we can freely fill in 'red wine with fish'. Some fish recipes are a bit stronger flavoured than others and might just work with a lighter red wine. For instance swordfish with tomatoes, olives and capers ("pesce spada alla siciliana"), which is delicious, may just work with a light red wine like pinot nero, or a stronger white wine like a moscato from Southern Italy or the Balkans, because you also need to balance out the strong flavours of tomatoes and capers. Personally, I'd still go for the latter here, but maybe the former may work.

    Now if we're not allowed to cheat that way and strictly have to do what Grant does, pairing grilled sol with Chianti, which doesn't match at all, not for me at least, I'd eat my fish first, drink a glass of water, and enjoy my Chianti afterwards with a few slices of bread.

    As for Phuyuk, I looked it up and it appears a fictional wine and in the film they make it pretty clear it's not supposed to be good. And life's too short for bad wine.

    What you said.

    I'm not a wine connoisseur, but even I know that the "white with fish", "red with red meat" rule is a rule of thumb thing and not an absolute. And, guilty as charged, I sometimes had red wine with fish. So...
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Yeah modern tastes say match with what you like white, red, or otherwise.

    But I gotta have some of that Phuyuck. Cheap spirits being very familiar.

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  • edited November 16 Posts: 4,147
    Ludovico wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Well that depends whether or not we can freely fill in 'red wine with fish'. Some fish recipes are a bit stronger flavoured than others and might just work with a lighter red wine. For instance swordfish with tomatoes, olives and capers ("pesce spada alla siciliana"), which is delicious, may just work with a light red wine like pinot nero, or a stronger white wine like a moscato from Southern Italy or the Balkans, because you also need to balance out the strong flavours of tomatoes and capers. Personally, I'd still go for the latter here, but maybe the former may work.

    Now if we're not allowed to cheat that way and strictly have to do what Grant does, pairing grilled sol with Chianti, which doesn't match at all, not for me at least, I'd eat my fish first, drink a glass of water, and enjoy my Chianti afterwards with a few slices of bread.

    As for Phuyuk, I looked it up and it appears a fictional wine and in the film they make it pretty clear it's not supposed to be good. And life's too short for bad wine.

    What you said.

    I'm not a wine connoisseur, but even I know that the "white with fish", "red with red meat" rule is a rule of thumb thing and not an absolute. And, guilty as charged, I sometimes had red wine with fish. So...

    Yeah, it’s more about how the flavours of the meat and wine pair together. As mentioned above you can have red wine with fish dishes, although I’m not sure how nice it’d be with sole!

    Bad sparkling wine gives me the worst hangovers though, so I’ll take the red wine with fish.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Well that depends whether or not we can freely fill in 'red wine with fish'. Some fish recipes are a bit stronger flavoured than others and might just work with a lighter red wine. For instance swordfish with tomatoes, olives and capers ("pesce spada alla siciliana"), which is delicious, may just work with a light red wine like pinot nero, or a stronger white wine like a moscato from Southern Italy or the Balkans, because you also need to balance out the strong flavours of tomatoes and capers. Personally, I'd still go for the latter here, but maybe the former may work.

    Now if we're not allowed to cheat that way and strictly have to do what Grant does, pairing grilled sol with Chianti, which doesn't match at all, not for me at least, I'd eat my fish first, drink a glass of water, and enjoy my Chianti afterwards with a few slices of bread.

    As for Phuyuk, I looked it up and it appears a fictional wine and in the film they make it pretty clear it's not supposed to be good. And life's too short for bad wine.

    What you said.

    I'm not a wine connoisseur, but even I know that the "white with fish", "red with red meat" rule is a rule of thumb thing and not an absolute. And, guilty as charged, I sometimes had red wine with fish. So...

    Yeah, it’s more about how the flavours of the meat and wine pair together. As mentioned above you can have red wine with fish dishes, although I’m not sure how nice it’d be with sole!

    Bad sparkling wine gives me the worst hangovers though, so I’ll take the red wine with fish.

    Well, to be fair the question didn't specify which fish. I actually had it once with salmon of all things. Can't remember which red wine, but it was during Christmastime and the bottle was opened. Sometimes you just want to finish what has been started.

    Filthy anecdote: poultry and white wine used to make me barf. So for years I stuck to red wine, whatever was on the menu.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Great stuff folks! It is correct that in some cases a red wine pairs nicely with the fish.

    Lets move on to some of the rare items and valuable objects that have been in a Bond movie.

    Would you rather own a Faberge egg OR a Stradivarius cello?

    Featured in OP, Karl Faberge made these eggs for the elite of Russia. There are 46 eggs in circulation today. Karl had made 50 but one was thoughtless destroyed by a Russian general hellbent on taking over Europe. ;) However the remaining eggs fetch a pretty penny on the open market. They can fetch between $6 million to $33 million depending on the design.

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    OR

    Featured in TLD, this Cello is a masterpiece of design and sound. Even with a bullet hole the sound of this instrument is still perfect, so we are to believe. These were made in very limited quantities by Stradivari and as such fetch high amounts when they hit the market. One recently fetched $20 million dollars when it was auctioned. Unsure whether he one Kara plays would be worth that much, but still likely worth a pretty penny.

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    So which one would you rather own. By the way I am not talking the props from the films, but rather the original article.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I knew the price of eggs was going up, but isn't that a bit high?

    Too soon!
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Stradivarius for me. Played music my whole life and I prefer what it represents over the Faberge eggs.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    edited November 17 Posts: 15,137
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    I love my Faberge egg… took me ages to put it back together after that thoughtless Russian General smashed it.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Stradivarius for me too.

    I'd love to visit the Museo del violino in Cremona, the town where the Stradivari family originally is from and where they made them.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    ... enough said!
    :x :x :-c
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    @Benny that is a super cool couple of items you have. The restoration of that egg is exquisite! ;)
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Wow @Benny, I read over your post too quickly, but that's amazing!
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Give me one of those eggs, and I'll sell it and buy a very good cello and spend the rest of my life taking cello lessons from a luminary in that field (I can't even read music). :-)
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I've got a green Fabergé egg.

    So I'll take the Stradivarius.

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    Really tough one. I know nothing about Fabergé eggs. I don't care about shining things. I'm a music lover, but I don't play cello, neither do I particularly like string instruments. I actually know one professional cellist, from college, but I can't stand her (neither can she stand me).

    Decisions, decisions...
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Easy one. I used to play the violin and the neighbours must've been very grateful when I gave up. No Stradivarius will save me. On the other hand, I find Fabergé's work increadably beautiful. I've seen one egg for real (a purple one), and would love to own a green one.
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    Faberge Egg for me.
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