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Would you rather Bond return to his cultural knowledge OR Bond return to the one-liner?

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  • BirdlesonBirdleson
    edited December 2023 Posts: 2,161
    I'd love to go back to the days when we got the title of the next film. That was pre-internet, so for most of us that was the big reveal. It was very exciting.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,426
    thedove wrote: »
    I always loved the GF end credits @M_Balje with the replay of the PTS over the golden lady. Hard to believe we haven't had a ending like that since GE.

    @Mathis1 how about a scene during the end credits and then a mention of James Bond will return? Something akin to Marvel?

    Oh, I wouldn't like Bond to emulate those films! Not a fan myself! I agree with @Birdleson, would love to see the title of the next one appear, but I doubt we will see that again sadly!
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    The first Bond film I saw in the cinema was Octopussy. At the end it proclaimed,
    James Bond
    will return in,

    From A View To A Kill

    It was exciting to wonder what this next adventure might be. Could anything be revealed by the title? Where would it take us?
    And then the next film left us with James Bond will return and has done so ever since. It's something I have to wait for during the credit roll.
    The minimum I want is, James Bond will return. I'd like to add, James Bond will return in...
    However that's unlikely unless EON have a plan going forward, and the films return to a more frequent release schedule.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,579
    If EON chose to do something different and adapt the continuation novels or comics, they'd have an idea of what the next installment might be. Who knows, we may once again see the title reveal in the credits!

    JAMES BOND WILL RETURN IN
    SERPENT'S TOO7TH

    Wait, that was a just an example - this comic will not be adapted for reasons. 😅

    Likewise, they could write an original two-parter with just the first film revealing the next title.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,632
    I would love to see James Bond will return in ___, but as others have said, unless EON releases movies on a frequent basis, I don’t think it’s going to happen. However, it could happen again, if two movies are filmed back to back.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,431
    Seems to be a slam dunk to have "James Bond will return" during the end credits. Interesting how one little sentence can make a difference to the fans.

    @Benny I must be the same vintage of you, though my first experience with the title reveal was with MR "James Bond will return For Your Eyes Only". I remember thinking, I wonder what that will be about and will Jaws return? LOL!

    Okay our very first would you rather was a choice between Roger films. Lets look at Sir Sean and pit a couple of movies of his and see what performance of Sean we prefer. Try to just consider the performance of Sean as Bond and not the film as a whole, though I suppose it might bleed through.

    Would you rather watch Sean's performance in FRWL OR Sean's performance in TB?

    Same director, same scriptwriter, Sean in 1963 versus Sean in 1965. One of the films is a series highlight, which is remarkable since you consider it was the second film. The other is polarizing, however many single out Sean and say he has a breezy confidence in the role.

    Which film performance do you prefer from Sean?
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Oof, this is like asking me which child I'll toss out of the house, lol... I'm going to give this way more thought. This was just an evil question, @thedove . Hats off to you...
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 4,155
    FRWL by quite a margin. Connery has a bit of a tendency to come off as lacklustre in TB.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    Posts: 2,148
    Not an easy choice but it's gotta be TB. It's the ultimate Bond performance as far as I'm concerned.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Oh wow, difficult. In both films Sean shows the full spectrum of Bond's emotions, from having a lot of fun, to imposing, to beeing under duress, anger. But I do like his focus in TB just that tiny bit more. He was at his absolute zenith in that film.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,270
    Probably FRWL for me.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Yes, Connery probably gave his most rounded performance as Bond in TB, even though FRWL is the better film!
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    I found that Connery at certain parts began to look somewhat bored in TB. Maybe I’m just overthinking it, but I felt Connery in FRWL was a much more interesting performance from him. I’m sure it helped that he’s a bit more humanized in that movie as opposed to his other entries.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 3,152
    FRWL for me. He's still totally invested, whereas in TB he's maybe a little bit comfortable and the edge's not quite as sharp.
  • SatoriousSatorious Brushing up on a little Danish
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    FRWL - by a large margin - Connery's coolest Bond performance in my opinion. As mentioned above - he's a little too relaxed in Thunderball - almost like he's on some kind of auto-pilot. In FRWL he has real steely quality + more "edge" - it's the quintessential Bond performance.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I'll go with Sean in FRWL, as it's one of my favourite Bond films. Connery is simply brilliant in it, and I would find it hard to find fault in his performance. It's easily his best Bond film.
    However, I don't think he was as cool in any other film as he was in TB. In or out of the Bond series.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,470
    Tough decision. I think all of Connery’s first four performances are S-tier material! If I had to rank them though, I think I’d go DN > TB > FRWL > GF. TB Connery is just super cool and fun to watch, like GF but better IMO, while DN and FRWL offer a little more serious approaches. There was sadly a big dropoff with YOLT and beyond for Connery, but you can’t go wrong with any of the first four. I honestly don’t think he got better than DN, which was pure perfection start to finish! But yes, on topic, I’ll pick TB ever so slightly.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    Thunderball by a hair.
    I enjoy FRWL as a film more, but TB has some of my most favourite Bondian moments from Sean
  • ColonelSunColonelSun
    Posts: 1,493
    FRWL is, IMO, Connery at his very, very best. He's also terrific in TB, which I love, but I also feel FRWL is the superior film.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Dear God @thedove, that's a mighty hard question to answer. Both supreme performances by Connery. His FRWL is chic, more leaning into the Fleming aspect, while Connery's performance in TB, tends to veer into the more cinematic portrayal. Both films I truly adore, and part of that is Connery's performance.

    But I'll have to go with FRWL. Connery in that film was the perfect blend of Fleming Bond and Cinema Bond.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 1,364
    FRWL.

    I love Thunderball and Connery was doing his thing here but in FRWL he is Fleming's Bond.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    In TB he gives a more relaxed and playful performance which mirrors my own day-to-day performance. Just look at how he fiddles with the scuba jet pack switches then acts shocked when Q promptly switches them all back off. I gotta be that guy! I do that kind of thing at work.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I think it’s Thunderball, for me.

    He looks amazing.

    He's so effortlessly cool.

    He kills when talking about “that gun; looks more fitting for a woman.” Largo asks if he knows much about guns, and Connery-Bond digs him with “No. But I know a little about women”….

    Scene after scene he’s the one I want to watch.

    From Russia With Love is the better film, but the Connery who shows up in Thunderball is a man who has mastered this character and it fits him like a glove.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 3,152
    QBranch wrote: »
    I gotta be that guy! I do that kind of thing at work.
    :D 👍
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Connery in Thunderball is the coolest man on the planet.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited December 2023 Posts: 3,262
    thedove wrote: »
    Would you rather watch Sean's performance in FRWL OR Sean's performance in TB?

    Same director, same scriptwriter, Sean in 1963 versus Sean in 1965. One of the films is a series highlight, which is remarkable since you consider it was the second film. The other is polarizing, however many single out Sean and say he has a breezy confidence in the role.

    Which film performance do you prefer from Sean?

    My top 2 Connery Bond films. Just something how Terence Young's style and the way he directed Sean. Anyway my vote definitely goes to TB. He was at apex as Bond in his 004th adventure and his superconfidence in the role is at his zenith here:

    Thunderball-58f8f82c5f9b581d59919c6d.jpg

    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Oh wow, difficult. In both films Sean shows the full spectrum of Bond's emotions, from having a lot of fun, to imposing, to beeing under duress, anger. But I do like his focus in TB just that tiny bit more. He was at his absolute zenith in that film.

    +1
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Tough decision. I think all of Connery’s first four performances are S-tier material! If I had to rank them though, I think I’d go DN > TB > FRWL > GF. TB Connery is just super cool and fun to watch, like GF but better IMO, while DN and FRWL offer a little more serious approaches.

    +1
    QBranch wrote: »
    In TB he gives a more relaxed and playful performance which mirrors my own day-to-day performance. Just look at how he fiddles with the scuba jet pack switches then acts shocked when Q promptly switches them all back off. I gotta be that guy! I do that kind of thing at work.

    +1
    peter wrote: »
    the Connery who shows up in Thunderball is a man who has mastered this character and it fits him like a glove.

    +1
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Connery in Thunderball is the coolest man on the planet.

    +1

  • CrabKeyCrabKey
    Posts: 1,992
    I am always intrigued by the notion that SC was too casual in TB, perhaps lackluster, or even bored. It's not as if SC didn't have a director in TB.

    Those who feel that way, I would like to know which scenes in particular, what you would have preferred to see, and how you would have directed SC differently.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,431
    I agree @CrabKey I don't see a bored actor. I see one who is confident in his role and is playing it with confidence.

    I love the sequence where he prowls around Shrublands at night. His glance at the room where he sees the curtain move. The way he changes his stride and look.

    The scene where he tells Domino about her brother's death. The hand shake when he offers her the personal effects. Tender. Even putting the sunglasses on before laying the news on her, shielding himself from her pain.

    Lots of nuance for me in his TB performance. Not to slight his performance in FRWL, but I like the overall performance in TB.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited December 2023 Posts: 5,431
    Okay lets move on to another subject that has had some chatter around it.

    In 2021 Amazon purchased MGM and effectively became a partner, or a boss, of EON. EON was quick to say nothing would change in regards to Bond. They shot down any thought of Bond becoming a stream only property and stated that Bond would always be shown in theatres.

    Since the purchase Amazon appears to be okay with EON taking their time to develop the next film. No statements, no pressure or any chatter about Amazon wanting Bond content for Prime.

    However I have to ask,

    Would you rather that EON continue to control the Bond franchise and the film schedule OR Amazon exert some pressure on EON to get moving on a new film?

    Lets face it we are all dying for another film to come out. Barbara has stated a few times that they haven't even started to develop a new film. Optimistically that would likely mean a 2025 or 2026 release for the next film.

    Could Amazon or should Amazon get more involved and push EON to start developing the next one sooner? Should they dictate a schedule going forward? Or are you comfortable with EON handling things as status quo?

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,260
    Amazon should stay out of it and just bankroll the thing. In the current circumstances (geopolitically, socially) it's going to be hard enough to make a film that works. EON has the experience and quality, and dispite many misgivings about choices made, I still don't want some inexperienced executives of a big corporation pushing on this to get results. Remember the Sony files?
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