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That order and likelihood. I grew up loving Moore Bond, and Dalton Bond is my favorite. So great to have them both.
I love them both very much. They're both ranked very highly for me, top five.
OP was my first cinema experience of Bond, and it left its mark.
I can understand why people would pick TLD over it. A new Bond, a change in tone, and a bloody good debut from Timothy Dalton.
OP, this one comes off as the same as TLD but way more campier, more complicated in terms of plot, Bond was forced to act out of character like the Tarzan Yell, for example, it's almost a childish Bond film with how colorful it is, with all of the fantastical and over the top moments in the film (I just don't see India as a 'fit for Bond' location, especially their culture, I have nothing against the country 😅✌️, I may have been misunderstood, but with regards to Bond, I just don't see this country fit and it shows in Octopussy how it could be out of its own depth), it's just not my cup of tea, the same as TLD, the villains in OP are about as weak as the ones in TLD, the only thing about Kamal Khan was at least he have the sophistication, nice dialogues and banter with Bond (especially in the backgammon sequence), but he's not threatening, nor do I understand his motivations (it's just so convoluted), Maud Adams is great as Octopussy, the problem is, she doesn't do much and mostly just.....There, maybe even becomes more of a redundancy in the third act and just devolves into an obligatory love interest.
Both have amazing scores by the way, so it's hard for me to choose in there which one is better.
This one's a pass for me since both are not my cup of tea 😅.
I prefer OP's PTS (just) and villains, while TLD features more appealing/varied locations and a bit more of a traditional spy caper feel, so I'm gonna go with TLD. It's Dalton's FRWL innit.
Ha! Forgot about that, maybe it should be Val Verde :)
The Indian scenes belong to a movie with Errol Flynn or Gary Cooper. You can see the influence of Indiana Jones here.
Yes, and I like that Die Hard happens there too! Maybe not Predator though, not least because Dutch and Matrix look suspiciously similar :D
Ooh I like it! That's what I'll think of it as now.
If anything, Temple of Doom seemed to take a cue from Octopussy two years earlier.
"When I'm stared at I seem to lose my appetite"
Even more curious is the pun OP shared with CR67.
Poison Pen letters?
That's the one. The funny thing is that the characters in CR67 roll their eyes when the pun is delivered, suggesting it's already been used to death, making it annoying rather than funny at that point. And then, 16 years later, ... ;-)
Yes, it was an old one but an obvious pun for the humour of the Moore era Bond films. Terrible puns and Bond films seem to go hand in hand.
DAD is clearly the leader of the pack in terms of overused puns. Three "point" puns in one film? I just don't see... the point of it.
DAD is the Bond film equivalent of using all the writer's bottom drawer and most awful rejected ideas all at once. It's why it will forever be at the bottom of my personal ranking of Bond films.
Solex Agitator pun?
I find TLD is rather convoluted I am still not sure what Bond is interfering with, the drugs or the arms? If he's helping the rebels isn't he aiding also the Russians? But that aside I like Saunders a bit more than Vijay maybe because he gets a small story arc. Nice to see an ally be frosty to Bond at the start of the movie. I prefer the soundtrack of TLD to OP. I think the action advances the story more with less cheap laughs. A shame as that jungle sequence, while illogical on it's face, had a chance to be something tense and different. They piss is away with Bond's jokes and the Tarzan yell.
I can't believe I am choosing TLD but here I am choosing TLD. OP was the second film Bond film I saw in the cinema @Benny and I love and adore Steven Berkoff and Orlov. The film loses steam once he is dispatched with.
To be fair that was one of the better ideas in DAD. I liked how Bond deployed the ring in the film to bring the glass floor crashing down. No Bond film is without merit, not even DAD.
Personally I love the plot of TLD. MI6 think they've hit the jackpot with getting Koskov, and all they want is to get him back. It's thanks to Bond, who's clearly thinking on his feet, constantly adjusting to understand whom he needs to be and with whom he needs to team up to figure out what the hell is going on.
Is he helping the RUssians? Far from it, he's trying to prevent the money ending with Whitaker and the Russians getting all those modern weapons they can use in Afghanistan. The only weak point in the film is that Pushkin cares about the corruption, as just about everyone in the RU army was/is as corrupt as can be and is earning on the side.
OP doesn't have such a strong story to my mind. It's far more stright foreward. And it is certainly more camp.
My vote goes to TLD.
In what way is OP racist?