Would you rather fix the ending of LTK OR the ending of FYEO?

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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Neither, it is what it is...

    But. If I have to choose I'd say the whistle. It's just a silly sound effect slapped on anotherwise phenomenal stunt.

    The DAF makes no sense but I can live with it.

    @RichardTheBruce wow that Agent Under Fire cover is amazing!!
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think they somewhat re-did the DAF stunt in Octopussy. I think Guy Hamilton realized that he needed to add that extra something to the chase in DAF, because it's a Bond film. So I think he didn't really mind how it came out. For TMWTTG, well, it's a Moore Bond film, so the whistle isn't a surprise, but a great Bond stunt still. It's the same as the Tarzan yell in Octopussy. All these things doesn't make Moore's Bond lesser. His portrayal called for them. Even John Barry didn't want to use the electric guitar on the Bond theme for Moore's Bond. But Moore's Bond is good at what he does. He makes his acting look easy, when it really isn't.
  • If the slide whistle was replaced with the Bond theme, the chase scene improves a lot more than the DAF chase scene if the wheels are on the right side. So I think I'll fix the TMWTGG
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Barrel roll 100%
    It's one of the greatest stunts in the history of cinema, that's overshadowed by a silly gag.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    That was fun! Nice to hear some attention paid to both. I find the DAF mistake to be lazy film-making and rather careless, but Cubby and Harry brought Hamilton back again for two more films so I guess the error wasn't too egregious.

    Lets do another one in the same vein.

    Would you rather fix the ending to LTK OR fix the ending to FYEO?

    You can only fix one. Which one are you jumping back in time to plead and persuade John Glen he needs to fix.

    LTK a serious Bond adventure and we have Leiter cracking jokes from a hospital bed, we have a winking fish and we have Bond jumping into a pool to profess his love for Pam. The tone doesn't hit the same notes as the rest of the film. Everyone looks, well happy when the ending to me should have been more low key and certainly a bit more sad or bitter. The toll of the adventure and the revenge, Leiter losing the love of his life and some limbs.

    OR

    FYEO, a serious Bond adventure with an OTT ending that undermines the film in some ways. We have a Thatcher and hubby look-a-like playing cute with Bond. We have a parrot making wise cracks and we have two character who really didn't have much in terms of romance now suddenly in love and diving into the ocean to skinny dip. It all feels better suited to MR or even Spy, but not to FYEO.

    Which ending would you rather change if you had the chance?
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    LTK

    Tell Hedison to act like he's not high on morphine, make his conversation with Bond a little longer and more emotional, don't have Pam cry, and cut the winking fish. I'm fine with the rest.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Remington wrote: »
    LTK

    Tell Hedison to act like he's not high on morphine, make his conversation with Bond a little longer and more emotional, don't have Pam cry, and cut the winking fish. I'm fine with the rest.

    Yeah. Like John Terry, I don't find Hedison to be a good actor. He just reads out his lines, instead of acting. It explains why he rushes them. When Jack Lord would settle down with his lines, and give a proper performance. If someone is new to James Bond, one might even think Jack Lord is James Bond. Also, Casey and Wright are also as good as Lord.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    FYEO

    It's just silly all along, remove the Thatcher scene and Bond making out or doing honeymoon with a Bond Girl whose young enough to be his daughter, if they're making this film a departure from the traditional style of Moore's Bond, then might as well change that ending, yes,that ending is still as outlandish as anything happened in MR.

    Have it be like a QoS like ending, where Bond and Melina kissed but they've gone separate ways after that.
  • Posts: 1,502
    Remington wrote: »
    LTK

    Tell Hedison to act like he's not high on morphine, make his conversation with Bond a little longer and more emotional, don't have Pam cry, and cut the winking fish. I'm fine with the rest.

    The original conversation was a bit longer and the exchange between Bond and Leiter included a more serious, more down beat moment, but they decided to cut that bit and make it more upbeat. I must admit, as one of the assistant editors, I did express disagreement with this, but the decision was made.
  • edited 9:15am Posts: 1,849
    FYEO.

    The Thatcher scene was silly.

    I have no problem with the ending of LTK. We didn't need a sequel to this movie so it's only natural that everything would go back to normal.

    We needed to know that the next Bond movie was going to be a different story.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    FYEO.

    Having a divisive political figure give Bond the thumbs up is one thing, but Bond really shouldn't be sleeping with Melina. Especially after the fuss made over Bibi.
    LtK's ending is rushed but, looking back, all of the John Glen era was. TLD is the worst offender. Mujahadeen fighters flying into Vienna strapped with ammunition and still armed? Come on!

    I've always liked Lupe's role in LTK. The classic grifter. 'I love James so much' but is cheerily dumped for the next meal ticket. Some argue this spoils her character, but, for me, it's absolutely in keeping. A seriously under-rated Bond girl.

    I like the jealously subplot. It works. Bouvier being weepy shows you can still fly to the toughest hellholes in South America and still go all 'oh James!' on us.

    Nobody does it better...
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    I think the LTK ending would be stronger with more of a heart to heart with Leiter/Bond’s phone call, but ultimately I think it makes sense to end it the way they did (the winking fish is a bit silly, but not unprecedented for a Bond film).

    The FYEO ending is just silly, and there are many alternative ideas they could have used. So I’ll say FYEO.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I’d change the ending of FYEO, even though both most certainly qualify.
    Remove the Maggie and Dennis scene. Putting the then reigning Prime Minister into the film, albeit via actors (of course) dates the movie, as the energy crisis of the 70’s has the same effect on TMWTGG.
    Remove the romantic ending with Bond and Melinda and keep their relationship strictly platonic
    It would be a far more believable way to end the story. I guess 1980’s audiences were ready for such a storyline.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Can I state the unpopular opinion that I don't dislike either?
    FYEO is a Moore ending not unlike TMWTGG, TSWLM or MR. No issue with LTK's ending either, always loved Q in that scene too (plus the end title song is superb). It's very 80's, but then again that's when it was made, I don't mind such signs of the times.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Can I state the unpopular opinion that I don't dislike either?
    FYEO is a Moore ending not unlike TMWTGG, TSWLM or MR. No issue with LTK's ending either, always loved Q in that scene too (plus the end title song is superb). It's very 80's, but then again that's when it was made, I don't mind such signs of the times.

    Yeah that's kind of my feeling too: LTK's is pretty decent I think, aside from the Felix call but then I tend to think he should have been killed off anyway. I can see the issue with FYEO's, and I agree with everyone else who thinks a platonic ending would have been more interesting, but ultimately it was a Roger film and wasn't really going to end any other way- and somehow the comedy ending doesn't jar with the rest of the film for me.

    So I guess funnily enough, although I agree with the folks saying FYEO, the only one I'd actually change would be LTK just in so far as I would have killed Felix earlier in the film and he wouldn't have been around for the phone call- there doesn't seem to be much point in him surviving. Maybe that would have even given Bond an opportunity for a moment of reflection at the end instead of seeming to weirdly forget all about Della.
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