Would you rather go up into the hills with Miss Taro OR get tied up with Helga on the Ning Po?

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  • I’d honestly rather have an original storyline with Moore than a rehash of any of the films. I love and adore the FRWL video game, but it’s very loose with regards to following the plot of the film.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I’d honestly rather have an original storyline with Moore than a rehash of any of the films. I love and adore the FRWL video game, but it’s very loose with regards to following the plot of the film.

    I was so hoping that they would follow that up with a Roger game, starring the man himself. I feel like he would have been up for it, and he barely sounded a day older until he passed, so it would have been great stuff.
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    I think TSWLM is just far more suitable for a video game. Unless it's GTA inspired (which might be cool too for LALD, come to think of it.)
  • mtm wrote: »
    I’d honestly rather have an original storyline with Moore than a rehash of any of the films. I love and adore the FRWL video game, but it’s very loose with regards to following the plot of the film.

    I was so hoping that they would follow that up with a Roger game, starring the man himself. I feel like he would have been up for it, and he barely sounded a day older until he passed, so it would have been great stuff.

    Rumor has it Moore was supposed to headline "Agent Under Fire" since Brosnan's contract had not been renewed at that point. There's even some pre-release footage featuring a Bond who looks conspicuously like Moore, though it's hard to tell due to the quality of said footage. For whatever reason that didn't end up coming to fruition. I very much agree with you however, a Moore video game will forever be a missed oppurtunity in my eyes.
  • MeanwhileMeanwhile Brooklyn
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    Moore’s Bond is ripe for the picking in video games, hence the GoldenEye levels on N64 and, according to YouTube, folks that have reskinned GoldenEye into a TSWLM games etc.

    It’s more strange that other games were set up to feature Daniel as GF, MR etc. Having him to GE kiiiiiiinda worked but didn’t really.

    Sorry folks, read every day but never chime in until my gut tells me to.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I have the LALD game on cassette, as well as the role-playing game. I actually attempted to make a level based on Kananga's cavernous lair, this was like a decade ago. I never finished it. Two pics I saved though:

    https://live.staticflickr.com/7417/12868051445_a3cdbef47a_o.png
    https://live.staticflickr.com/7346/12868047085_367ba27a01_o.png

    LALD would be awesome to see updated with the whole voodoo angle, avoiding scarecrow assassins in dank forests, learning which yellow cabs not to catch in NY. The game would be fully immersible with the player being able to walk around JFK airport, get information through Solitaire dealing her tarot cards and even being able to deal the tarot yourself when she is not present - remember when Bond dealt the three tarot cards in her mansion, the cards predicted the next event, meaning Bond himself has the power of the Obeah! This is something you discover in the game. As long as you have access to a deck of cards you can gather clues. You can get them from Solitaire, the voodoo shop in NY, San Moniquan hotel lobby but not everywhere. Some traveling back and forth is required. The safe house wouldn't be Bond's bungalow - too many unexpected visitors with spare keys. The only safe house might be CIA HQ in NY?

    Having said all that, I would probably pick TSWLM just so I can explore the amazing Egyptian environments and sail down up! the Nile...

    So many exciting ideas manifest in the mind regarding what could be, it becomes overwhelming to step back from it all and realize it doesn't already exist, it's forever baffling how it's not 'a thing'. Not to mention, we don't have a single 'next-gen' Bond game to play at the moment... *sad sigh!*
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    mtm wrote: »
    I’d honestly rather have an original storyline with Moore than a rehash of any of the films. I love and adore the FRWL video game, but it’s very loose with regards to following the plot of the film.

    I was so hoping that they would follow that up with a Roger game, starring the man himself. I feel like he would have been up for it, and he barely sounded a day older until he passed, so it would have been great stuff.

    Rumor has it Moore was supposed to headline "Agent Under Fire" since Brosnan's contract had not been renewed at that point. There's even some pre-release footage featuring a Bond who looks conspicuously like Moore, though it's hard to tell due to the quality of said footage. For whatever reason that didn't end up coming to fruition. I very much agree with you however, a Moore video game will forever be a missed oppurtunity in my eyes.

    Yes, AUF was apparently going to feature RM. Along with John Cleese as Q/R. That would have been interesting, to see that chemistry. I wish that would have happened, along with the Goldeneye health meter.
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    TSWLM’s plot is very well suited to a video game (ie. it tends to move quite quickly with Bond having to find various people/objects, and it has a number of set pieces that keep things together). I always say it had a very ‘modern’ plot for a 70s blockbuster in that way.

    Personally, I’d wanna see a heavily adapted TMWTGG as a Moore video game. But out of the two it’s TSWLM as the adaptations for it would be more minor and it wouldn’t outshine the original as much as compliment it.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Meanwhile wrote: »
    Moore’s Bond is ripe for the picking in video games, hence the GoldenEye levels on N64 and, according to YouTube, folks that have reskinned GoldenEye into a TSWLM games etc.

    It’s more strange that other games were set up to feature Daniel as GF, MR etc. Having him to GE kiiiiiiinda worked but didn’t really.

    Sorry folks, read every day but never chime in until my gut tells me to.

    Never say sorry my friend, love that you contributed and I will need to check out some of that YouTube content. I saw that Cipher or is it Cypher(?) features a Spy level now and I thought it would be cool to see if others thought it would make for a good game.
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    Put me down for TSWLM.
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    Live and let die i an playing through a spy who loved me game today ad we speak
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Great stuff! I think you couldn't go wrong either way but I would lean more towards LALD.

    Since the passing of Fleming, many have written continuation novels some have been more successful than others. For the most part the filmmakers have not adapted any of the continuation novels. Without knowing the legalities of whether such a thing is possible I thought it would be fun to see what you feel about adapting the continuation novels.

    Would you rather EON adapt some of the continuation novels OR continue to develop their own original stories?

    If you choose the continuation novels let us know which book or author would you like to see adapted for the BIG screen.
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    Develop their own adventures BUT use as much as Fleming as they can for inspiration.
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    Novels. They don't have to be faithful adaptations.

  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Original stories but just write them better 😅
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Their own with, as Ludovico says, plenty of Fleming (and SF-style reworked Fleming) in there. I'd say that QOS and SF are better than any of the (admittedly only a handful of) continuation novels I've read. I might not've made this choice immediately after DAD, though, so yeh, as Jordo says: as long as the writing's up to scratch.
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    Honestly, I find that even the better continuation novels aren’t as interesting or thought out as the worst original Bond films. Even Horrowitz's adventures left me a bit cold (he’s pretty weak at writing villains, and he doesn’t quite have that Fleming-esque sense of fantasy that the likes of Gardner and Benson had despite their flaws).

    So yeah, definitely keep the films original, but always keep something of the books in there.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 29 Posts: 16,325
    007HallY wrote: »
    Honestly, I find that even the better continuation novels aren’t as interesting or thought out as the worst original Bond films.

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    The films have many people collaborating and pouring months or years of work and ideas into them, which then get honed - so you have well-crafted and original set pieces, dialogue refined by script doctors etc. Whereas the books are the work of one person putting it together in a month or two - not to disparage their work but if it's plots and set pieces we're talking about, then the films are able to invest way more time and talent. I can't think of any ideas in the continuations which are strong and unique enough as to demand to be adapted over any of the original ideas in the films (with maybe an exception here or there for the Higson books- there's some stuff in there I can see making it, albeit heavily reworked - Bond in a hurricane, a secret island where crooks go to retire in protected safety, an open pit with a sadistic obstacle course, being eaten alive by mosquitos etc. ).
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Honestly, I find that even the better continuation novels aren’t as interesting or thought out as the worst original Bond films. Even Horrowitz's adventures left me a bit cold (he’s pretty weak at writing villains, and he doesn’t quite have that Fleming-esque sense of fantasy that the likes of Gardner and Benson had despite their flaws).

    So yeah, definitely keep the films original, but always keep something of the books in there.

    I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking Horrowitz's villains are bland.
  • edited April 29 Posts: 4,096
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Honestly, I find that even the better continuation novels aren’t as interesting or thought out as the worst original Bond films. Even Horrowitz's adventures left me a bit cold (he’s pretty weak at writing villains, and he doesn’t quite have that Fleming-esque sense of fantasy that the likes of Gardner and Benson had despite their flaws).

    So yeah, definitely keep the films original, but always keep something of the books in there.

    I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking Horrowitz's villains are bland.

    They really are, aren’t they? FAAD is the worst one for it. The French villain’s first name is literally ‘Jean-Paul’ and his ‘thing’ boils down to he’s fat and doesn’t speak English. I know his villain ‘gimmick’ is that his throat was slit (although this adds nothing in the sense it’s not relevant to the story and gives him no physical advantage over Bond) and he’s slightly sadistic I guess, but to me he comes across as a second rate Le Chiffre. Horrowitz seems to ham up all the sadistic speeches he gives to Bond as well. It gets a bit boring to read honestly. Then there’s the generic American businessman who has a generic incurable illness, a generic backstory where a son has died which gives him, in part, a generic reason to go through with whatever plan he’s trying to do. Yawn. Even Colonel Boris should be much more sinister in WAMTK.
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Honestly, I find that even the better continuation novels aren’t as interesting or thought out as the worst original Bond films.

    👍
    The films have many people collaborating and pouring months or years of work and ideas into them, which then get honed - so you have well-crafted and original set pieces, dialogue refined by script doctors etc. Whereas the books are the work of one person putting it together in a month or two - not to disparage their work but if it's plots and set pieces we're talking about, then the films are able to invest way more time and talent. I can't think of any ideas in the continuations which are strong and unique enough as to demand to be adapted over any of the original ideas in the films (with maybe an exception here or there for the Higson books- there's some stuff in there I can see making it, albeit heavily reworked - Bond in a hurricane, a secret island where crooks go to retire in protected safety, an open pit with a sadistic obstacle course, being eaten alive by mosquitos etc. ).

    I like the idea of an older, world weary Bond girl similar to Madame Sixtine (although I’m not sure if I’d want a strict adaptation of that character either - her backstory is a bit dull as well). The idea of the villain dosing Bond with heroin - or at least some sort of mind altering drug - is kinda cool as well. But I completely agree, it’s really little scraps here and there that would need to be reworked.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I used to think that adapting novels would get us faster Bond movies. Now after reading a good chunk of them, I would like EON to develop their stories for a few reasons. This way, the storylines can surprise us with their originality. As for the other reason. EON can use a storyline or a character from a book and tie into the original story. So, EON should just stick to the original adventures, and use the books (Fleming and Continuation) as guides if needed.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 29 Posts: 16,325
    The weird thing is that the films actually seem to come up with more dramatic stories for Bond, whereas the books quite often take the more generic and formulaic Bond story route, which is perhaps kind of counter intuitive: you'd think novels would have a bit more space to do something new and interesting. With A Mind To Kill is the recent exception perhaps as it was a Bond novel with a dramatic concept at the heart of it (Forever and a Day tried to, but really it was a standard Bond story at heart and didn't really work half as well as an origin story as the CR movie for my money, good fun read though it was). So beyond the evil villain plots, I'd say the films are coming up with better stories. As mentioned above, the actual story behind QoS is really solid and it's actually trying to say something about the nature of revenge etc. - it actually has some themes. Does, say, Trigger Mortis have much in the way of thematic material in there? I'd say it doesn't really.
    This is all just my opinion and no more valid or true than anyone else's.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Honestly, I find that even the better continuation novels aren’t as interesting or thought out as the worst original Bond films.

    👍
    The films have many people collaborating and pouring months or years of work and ideas into them, which then get honed - so you have well-crafted and original set pieces, dialogue refined by script doctors etc. Whereas the books are the work of one person putting it together in a month or two - not to disparage their work but if it's plots and set pieces we're talking about, then the films are able to invest way more time and talent. I can't think of any ideas in the continuations which are strong and unique enough as to demand to be adapted over any of the original ideas in the films (with maybe an exception here or there for the Higson books- there's some stuff in there I can see making it, albeit heavily reworked - Bond in a hurricane, a secret island where crooks go to retire in protected safety, an open pit with a sadistic obstacle course, being eaten alive by mosquitos etc. ).

    Well, a writer may not be able to counter the thinking-power that's available for the films, but they should stay away from their generic writersschool style and actually do the research, like Fleming did. I like Anthony Horowitz's style, but the stories themselves are unimpressive.
    The thing with Fleming is, that he knew how to blend culture and story to something extraordinary. The 'garden of death' holds so much more menace because it is set in Japan, catering to a Japanese cultural trait. I feel the continuation novels just don't manage to get that involved. Even TSWLM (novel) uses the environment in the most menacingly way possible, and we're talking about a pine forest here!

    So, films, stick to your original stories, and keep beeing inspired by the master himself.
  • edited April 30 Posts: 4,096
    Perhaps a bit unrelated, but I genuinely have little memory of reading Trigger Mortis. There are modern Bond continuation novels I've read and not loved - Devil May Care, With a Mind to Kill, On His Majesty's Secret Service, Solo and Carte Blanche specifically - but I can remember them relatively easily and they were all memorable in their own way. If it wasn't for the fact that I personally find the title Trigger Mortis stupid and it was on my bookshelf for the longest time I don't think it'd cross my mind, and I struggle to recall it. I don't think a book, particularly a Bond novel, has left such little impression on me (as I said I find Horrowitz's other Bond novels flawed but interesting/memorable in their own way). I genuinely have no idea why this is though.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Perhaps a bit unrelated, but I genuinely have little memory of reading Trigger Mortis. There are modern Bond continuation novels I've read and not loved - Devil May Care, With a Mind to Kill, On His Majesty's Secret Service, Solo and Carte Blanche specifically - but I can remember them relatively easily and they were all memorable in their own way. If it wasn't for the fact that I personally find the title Trigger Mortis stupid and it was on my bookshelf for the longest time I don't think it'd cross my mind, and I struggle to recall it. I don't think a book, particularly a Bond novel, has left such little impression on me (as I said I find Horrowitz's other Bond novels flawed but interesting/memorable in their own way). I genuinely have no idea why this is though.

    Horowitz should have named it Murder on Wheels, like the Fleming material. The most memorable thing about the novel was the return of Pussy Galore. Honorable mention goes too the final train fight, aka the climax.
  • Posts: 4,096
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Perhaps a bit unrelated, but I genuinely have little memory of reading Trigger Mortis. There are modern Bond continuation novels I've read and not loved - Devil May Care, With a Mind to Kill, On His Majesty's Secret Service, Solo and Carte Blanche specifically - but I can remember them relatively easily and they were all memorable in their own way. If it wasn't for the fact that I personally find the title Trigger Mortis stupid and it was on my bookshelf for the longest time I don't think it'd cross my mind, and I struggle to recall it. I don't think a book, particularly a Bond novel, has left such little impression on me (as I said I find Horrowitz's other Bond novels flawed but interesting/memorable in their own way). I genuinely have no idea why this is though.

    Horowitz should have named it Murder on Wheels, like the Fleming material. The most memorable thing about the novel was the return of Pussy Galore. Honorable mention goes too the final train fight, aka the climax.

    The villain's name being Jason Sin is another thing that comes back to me. But yeah, it's all a bit of a blur for some reason. Weird.

    At least something like Devil May Care has the benefit of having such a stupid plot twist at the end that it can't help but be memorable. Then you have Carte Blanche which recontextualises Bond into a 21st Century setting which is quite unique/interesting.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Overall original idea's with using elements of books if interesting. I suggest Sea Of Fire (based on SeaFire) or Role of Honour as title. Titles of John Gardner books. But for example ''Never Send Flowers'' is another title, that i only will use for the title.

    Seafire like Quantum Focus on individual villian who get group behind him.

    In Role of Honour a conflict with Mi6 turn Bond be avaible to be hired, the secret be hide in word ''conflict''. Conflict of words and proud as in novel is something that we used too but there should bring it next level with conflict on background story of Daniel Craig era as there drive and Mr White in QOS about Vesper: The real shame is that if she hadn't killed herself, we would have had you, too.

    Dealer of both titles be Greene in QOS: This is the world's most precious resource, we need to control as much of it as we can.

    Story of two Death ''author's'' sometimes already created inspiration...
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Perhaps a bit unrelated, but I genuinely have little memory of reading Trigger Mortis. There are modern Bond continuation novels I've read and not loved - Devil May Care, With a Mind to Kill, On His Majesty's Secret Service, Solo and Carte Blanche specifically - but I can remember them relatively easily and they were all memorable in their own way. If it wasn't for the fact that I personally find the title Trigger Mortis stupid and it was on my bookshelf for the longest time I don't think it'd cross my mind, and I struggle to recall it. I don't think a book, particularly a Bond novel, has left such little impression on me (as I said I find Horrowitz's other Bond novels flawed but interesting/memorable in their own way). I genuinely have no idea why this is though.

    It's the only one I read of Horrowitz. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would, but for the main villain.
  • Definitely would like to see some inspiration from the continuation novels: most would make average films to be honest but ideas like the chase in Nobody Lives Forever and the mountain climbing from High Time to Kill should be adpated
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Very interesting thoughts here and certainly some perspectives I hadn't considered. I guess when you think of it EON stopped using the plot of the novels back in the 1970's only retaining the names and rarely using the plot of the villains.

    I would like to see them try to adapt some of the continuation novels as they have some interesting ideas and concepts.

    Lets move on to another would you rather question.

    A few times Bond has found himself in Venice and always with a beautiful lady on his arm. Lets pick out a couple and see who would you rather spend some time with in Venice?

    Would you rather spend time in Venice with Tatiana Romanova OR with Vesper Lynd?

    Consider the year, the woman, or anything else that might sway your decision.
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