Would you rather have Oddjob OR Nick Nack as your servant or assistant?

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 7 Posts: 16,757
    BT3366 wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    Add in that when they were ready to start up Bond 17 Dalton said he'd only do one. Cubby famously said that with the hiatus he'd need to commit to more than one. Timothy then walked away from the role. If he had loved it and enjoyed it why only commit to one more? Why wouldn't he commit to 2-3 more?

    I still wonder if that's actually true or if that was an invented excuse as I still recall a Premiere Magazine article that basically had an MGM exec saying that if Brosnan wasn't cast as Bond and Dalton out that MGM would not help finance it.

    Yeah I think it's a nice PR story cooked up to make neither side look like they were at fault but to hide that basically MGM didn't want him. Eon were friendly with Dalton so I think they said it to help him save face.
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    Craig, but I’d be interested in either!
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited January 8 Posts: 5,539
    When Bond 17 was finally greenlit, Timothy Dalton was approached to return to the role of 007, but turned it down after the six-year gap. In a new interview with The Week, Dalton has now revealed the real reason he walked away from the famous tuxedo.

    When asked where the fear of stagnation was a part of his relatively short tenure as 007, Dalton said: "That was my worry going into the James Bond franchise, certainly. But it wasn't why I left. On [Licence to Kill], I think I saw the script about two weeks before we started shooting. You know, that's not great, is it?"

    We had the script [for this third film]. They were interviewing directors. We were really rolling forward, ready to start. It was actually quite a good story, I thought," says Dalton. "Because of the lawsuit, I was free of the contract, and [producer] Mr. Broccoli, who I really respected as a producer and as a friend, asked me what I was going to do when it was resolved. I said, 'Look, in all honesty, I don't think that I will continue.' He asked me for my support during that time, which of course, I gave him."

    When the legal fog cleared, Dalton had a change of heart. "When [the next movie] did come about, it was probably four or five years later," he explains. "[Broccoli] asked if I would come back, and I said, 'Well, I've actually changed my mind a little bit. I think that I'd love to do one. Try and take the best of the two that I have done, and consolidate them into a third.' And he said, quite rightly, 'Look, Tim. You can't do one. There's no way, after a five-year gap between movies that you can come back and just do one. You'd have to plan on four or five.' And I thought, oh, no, that would be the rest of my life. Too much. Too long. So I respectfully declined."


    I don't think this is PR and invented. Dalton himself told this story in an interview. Clearly he was upset that the script for LTK was so late being finalized or arriving to him.
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    thedove wrote: »
    When Bond 17 was finally greenlit, Timothy Dalton was approached to return to the role of 007, but turned it down after the six-year gap. In a new interview with The Week, Dalton has now revealed the real reason he walked away from the famous tuxedo.

    When asked where the fear of stagnation was a part of his relatively short tenure as 007, Dalton said: "That was my worry going into the James Bond franchise, certainly. But it wasn't why I left. On [Licence to Kill], I think I saw the script about two weeks before we started shooting. You know, that's not great, is it?"

    We had the script [for this third film]. They were interviewing directors. We were really rolling forward, ready to start. It was actually quite a good story, I thought," says Dalton. "Because of the lawsuit, I was free of the contract, and [producer] Mr. Broccoli, who I really respected as a producer and as a friend, asked me what I was going to do when it was resolved. I said, 'Look, in all honesty, I don't think that I will continue.' He asked me for my support during that time, which of course, I gave him."

    When the legal fog cleared, Dalton had a change of heart. "When [the next movie] did come about, it was probably four or five years later," he explains. "[Broccoli] asked if I would come back, and I said, 'Well, I've actually changed my mind a little bit. I think that I'd love to do one. Try and take the best of the two that I have done, and consolidate them into a third.' And he said, quite rightly, 'Look, Tim. You can't do one. There's no way, after a five-year gap between movies that you can come back and just do one. You'd have to plan on four or five.' And I thought, oh, no, that would be the rest of my life. Too much. Too long. So I respectfully declined."


    I don't think this is PR and invented. Dalton himself told this story in an interview. Clearly he was upset that the script for LTK was so late being finalized or arriving to him.

    I'm not unconvinced here, but there's still other factors you have to wonder about. Given Dalton would've already been 49 when he was filming GE, would he really have been expected to do 4-5 more? That would've put him in Moore's late 50s age bracket by the time he fulfilled such a contract and there were complaints about Moore's age from fans. The standard contract for Brosnan was 3 with a film-by-film basis after as it was with Moore, and there was talk about Brosnan being too old as he hit 50 right after DAD. It also wasn't like Eon hadn't done 3 films with 3 different actors before. Also, wasn't Cubby ailing by the time of pre-production on GE and Barbara and MGW stepping up to take over the day-to-day operations?
  • edited January 8 Posts: 1,509
    Both can be true. Maybe they knew he was going to decline an offer like that.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    All in all, I'd love it if Dalton could do a commentary record of his films. Especially considering the above. Craig would be interesting as well, but rather a couple of years after the new guy has taken over.
  • edited January 8 Posts: 4,409
    I think it’s known that MGM wanted Brosnan (although even then I know executives were worried about his leading man potential too), but it does seem like there were discussions about this at EON, with some seemingly split about whether to keep Dalton. I think the mentality of either a new start or the previous actor continuing as usual was there after the gap. But of course if it’s true Dalton had doubts about returning to Bond (which I don’t think would be a PR story - why would he say the schedule for LTK wasn’t great if it was? I think his answer would be less detailed than that if it was) then that likely would have set off those conversations about a new Bond beforehand. So I don’t think it’s fully made up either. But as is the case with these things there’s probably a lot left out or embellished.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Funnily enough I think Deke actually has a point. It may well have been a slightly half-hearted offer from Eon hoping he'd turn it down. Maybe both sides understood the situation and knew they were doing something of a dance.
    It worked out for the best that the series was reinvigorated at that point.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Daltonator B-)
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    mtm wrote: »
    Funnily enough I think Deke actually has a point. It may well have been a slightly half-hearted offer from Eon hoping he'd turn it down. Maybe both sides understood the situation and knew they were doing something of a dance.
    It worked out for the best that the series was reinvigorated at that point.

    Kind of to allow him to leave with dignity. Makes sense.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Funnily enough I think Deke actually has a point. It may well have been a slightly half-hearted offer from Eon hoping he'd turn it down. Maybe both sides understood the situation and knew they were doing something of a dance.
    It worked out for the best that the series was reinvigorated at that point.

    Kind of to allow him to leave with dignity. Makes sense.

    Yeah I feel like there was something like that going on there. Would make sense: they are genuine friends apparently.

    Makes you wonder why Brosnan didn't get the same ;)
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    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Funnily enough I think Deke actually has a point. It may well have been a slightly half-hearted offer from Eon hoping he'd turn it down. Maybe both sides understood the situation and knew they were doing something of a dance.
    It worked out for the best that the series was reinvigorated at that point.

    Kind of to allow him to leave with dignity. Makes sense.

    Yeah I feel like there was something like that going on there. Would make sense: they are genuine friends apparently.

    Makes you wonder why Brosnan didn't get the same ;)

    Different times, perhaps. Also, Brosnan’s tenure had been more successful, more popular amongst the general public and lasted longer. They could afford to be ruthless. How was the relationship between him and the production?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 8 Posts: 16,757
    I get the impression it was a little more businesslike, but then hey: they all were. Even Roger and Cubby we're often given the impression as being good friends with their backgammon and pasta, and I'm sure they were to some extent, but then they were also pretty ruthless with each other when it came to the negotiations and Cubby is on record as saying some pretty rough things about him. Brosnan tried to start his own rival Bond film series, stealing the Broccoli dollar: it's all big business.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    Dalton, obviously - so I'd get to listen to his voice for a couple of hours.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Dalton for sure.

    01:05:11
    "Now, here we have Bond meeting Saunders in the Prater cafe. Thomas was great to work with. This was actually a set, filmed at Pinewood. Um, take 15, I think, as the coffee was rubbish. John got so annoyed, that the barista was, how do you say? 'Put away'."

    02:10:02
    "In the pool with Carey. I found it difficult to kiss her, that bloody winking fish watching us. Take 16 here. John was so annoyed, that at one stage, he tried to get the crew to cart the fountain up to Rumorosa Pass, set it on fire and throw it off a cliff, but they refused to go back there after claims the area is haunted."
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Dalton, if only because I feel like I already know way more about the Craig era already than I do about the Dalton films. That and I find Dalton great to listen to.
  • zb007zb007 UK
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Dalton for sure.

    01:05:11
    "Now, here we have Bond meeting Saunders in the Prater cafe. Thomas was great to work with. This was actually a set, filmed at Pinewood. Um, take 15, I think, as the coffee was rubbish. John got so annoyed, that the barista was, how do you say? 'Put away'."

    02:10:02
    "In the pool with Carey. I found it difficult to kiss her, that bloody winking fish watching us. Take 16 here. John was so annoyed, that at one stage, he tried to get the crew to cart the fountain up to Rumorosa Pass, set it on fire and throw it off a cliff, but they refused to go back there after claims the area is haunted."

    I read those in his voice :))
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    zb007 wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Dalton for sure.

    01:05:11
    "Now, here we have Bond meeting Saunders in the Prater cafe. Thomas was great to work with. This was actually a set, filmed at Pinewood. Um, take 15, I think, as the coffee was rubbish. John got so annoyed, that the barista was, how do you say? 'Put away'."

    02:10:02
    "In the pool with Carey. I found it difficult to kiss her, that bloody winking fish watching us. Take 16 here. John was so annoyed, that at one stage, he tried to get the crew to cart the fountain up to Rumorosa Pass, set it on fire and throw it off a cliff, but they refused to go back there after claims the area is haunted."

    I read those in his voice :))

    That first one I read with his Northern accent slipping a bit! 'That coffee was nassssty'.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Great stuff as always! I think the Dalton commentary has more of a chance to have new insights so I would rather get Dalton commentaries.

    Since it's Friday and I am feeling Italian and musical lets do this one for fun:

    Would you rather hit the dance floor with Domino OR Fiona?

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    Elegant and so beautiful, Domino enjoys a slow dance at the formal event she attends with Bond. Warning she might just melt into your arms if you show her some tenderness and care.

    OR

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    A touch of evil intentions here. Fiona is comfortable dancing at gunpoint. She shows her looser side by dancing at a bar. She enjoys a good beat. Careful she may just collapse in your arms if you are careful.

    So who is your dance partner?

    Side note is TB the only film that our man dances not once but twice?
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Oh now that's an evil question!

    I want both!



    can I have both?


    I will have both!


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    I'm a terrible dancer. But given the circumstances I'd go for Domino, if only because I won't have to dodge a bullet.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited January 11 Posts: 3,196
    I've never danced in my life. But, hey, who am I to say no...

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    Domino is lovely, but Fiona would be fun. Fiona.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Good stuff! Was there a bad choice to be made?

    I have often dreamed of having an able assistant who could do some everyday tasks. Someone that could perhaps drive me around, cook my food, or get me my Tobasco sauce. Someone who might assist my as a caddy. You get the picture.

    I wonder

    Would you rather have Oddjob OR Nick Nack as your servant or assistant?

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    Oddjob as his name implies can really do all sorts of jobs. From helping with your golf game, to crushing your balls. Oddjob shows himself to be handy with a pistol and a bowler hat. Mute, he is a man of few words. Loyal to a fault, Oddjob is willing to put his life at risk for the greater golden good.

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    Nick Nack is a gourmet who can prepare dishes with flair and a sense of sophistication. He is eager to please and is quick with a laugh or quip to keep the mood light. Handy with a pistol, trident and peanuts. Nick Nack might not be able to drive, but he makes a great co-pilot.

    Which one is helping you get through this crazy life?

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Although I guess his treachery makes him a bit risky to keep on, Nick Nack would be my choice because he can actually answer the phone for one thing, plus he's a good cook and seems to know how to do everything around the house. Oddjob is good for driving and caddying and chopping peoples' necks, but seems slightly less useful day-to-day around the house.
    So I'll go for Nick Nack, as long as he didn't try to kill me and take my lair for himself all the time.
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    As much as I prefer GF to TMWTGG, I'll choose Nick Nack. If only because he's a cook (a chef?).
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I refer loyal henchmen over those who constantly try to kill me. So OddJob it is.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I like to cook myself, and I'm glad if a person doing stuff for me is quiet. Also I prefer to have someone who is strong and can lift furniture and whathaveyou. So Oddjob is my choice. I don't think I'd be able to endure Nick Nack being around me for a single day.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    As much as I prefer GF to TMWTGG, I'll choose Nick Nack. If only because he's a cook (a chef?).

    It's random, but I always love the set of Scaramanga's lair, with that dining table and Nick Nack's kitchen around the back. I think it might be the one I'd like to live in the most, it's very cool.
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