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Would you rather hit the dance floor with Domino OR Fiona?

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 7 Posts: 16,745
    BT3366 wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    Add in that when they were ready to start up Bond 17 Dalton said he'd only do one. Cubby famously said that with the hiatus he'd need to commit to more than one. Timothy then walked away from the role. If he had loved it and enjoyed it why only commit to one more? Why wouldn't he commit to 2-3 more?

    I still wonder if that's actually true or if that was an invented excuse as I still recall a Premiere Magazine article that basically had an MGM exec saying that if Brosnan wasn't cast as Bond and Dalton out that MGM would not help finance it.

    Yeah I think it's a nice PR story cooked up to make neither side look like they were at fault but to hide that basically MGM didn't want him. Eon were friendly with Dalton so I think they said it to help him save face.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,545
    Craig, but I’d be interested in either!
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited January 8 Posts: 5,536
    When Bond 17 was finally greenlit, Timothy Dalton was approached to return to the role of 007, but turned it down after the six-year gap. In a new interview with The Week, Dalton has now revealed the real reason he walked away from the famous tuxedo.

    When asked where the fear of stagnation was a part of his relatively short tenure as 007, Dalton said: "That was my worry going into the James Bond franchise, certainly. But it wasn't why I left. On [Licence to Kill], I think I saw the script about two weeks before we started shooting. You know, that's not great, is it?"

    We had the script [for this third film]. They were interviewing directors. We were really rolling forward, ready to start. It was actually quite a good story, I thought," says Dalton. "Because of the lawsuit, I was free of the contract, and [producer] Mr. Broccoli, who I really respected as a producer and as a friend, asked me what I was going to do when it was resolved. I said, 'Look, in all honesty, I don't think that I will continue.' He asked me for my support during that time, which of course, I gave him."

    When the legal fog cleared, Dalton had a change of heart. "When [the next movie] did come about, it was probably four or five years later," he explains. "[Broccoli] asked if I would come back, and I said, 'Well, I've actually changed my mind a little bit. I think that I'd love to do one. Try and take the best of the two that I have done, and consolidate them into a third.' And he said, quite rightly, 'Look, Tim. You can't do one. There's no way, after a five-year gap between movies that you can come back and just do one. You'd have to plan on four or five.' And I thought, oh, no, that would be the rest of my life. Too much. Too long. So I respectfully declined."

    I don't think this is PR and invented. Dalton himself told this story in an interview. Clearly he was upset that the script for LTK was so late being finalized or arriving to him.
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,930
    thedove wrote: »
    When Bond 17 was finally greenlit, Timothy Dalton was approached to return to the role of 007, but turned it down after the six-year gap. In a new interview with The Week, Dalton has now revealed the real reason he walked away from the famous tuxedo.

    When asked where the fear of stagnation was a part of his relatively short tenure as 007, Dalton said: "That was my worry going into the James Bond franchise, certainly. But it wasn't why I left. On [Licence to Kill], I think I saw the script about two weeks before we started shooting. You know, that's not great, is it?"

    We had the script [for this third film]. They were interviewing directors. We were really rolling forward, ready to start. It was actually quite a good story, I thought," says Dalton. "Because of the lawsuit, I was free of the contract, and [producer] Mr. Broccoli, who I really respected as a producer and as a friend, asked me what I was going to do when it was resolved. I said, 'Look, in all honesty, I don't think that I will continue.' He asked me for my support during that time, which of course, I gave him."

    When the legal fog cleared, Dalton had a change of heart. "When [the next movie] did come about, it was probably four or five years later," he explains. "[Broccoli] asked if I would come back, and I said, 'Well, I've actually changed my mind a little bit. I think that I'd love to do one. Try and take the best of the two that I have done, and consolidate them into a third.' And he said, quite rightly, 'Look, Tim. You can't do one. There's no way, after a five-year gap between movies that you can come back and just do one. You'd have to plan on four or five.' And I thought, oh, no, that would be the rest of my life. Too much. Too long. So I respectfully declined."

    I don't think this is PR and invented. Dalton himself told this story in an interview. Clearly he was upset that the script for LTK was so late being finalized or arriving to him.

    I'm not unconvinced here, but there's still other factors you have to wonder about. Given Dalton would've already been 49 when he was filming GE, would he really have been expected to do 4-5 more? That would've put him in Moore's late 50s age bracket by the time he fulfilled such a contract and there were complaints about Moore's age from fans. The standard contract for Brosnan was 3 with a film-by-film basis after as it was with Moore, and there was talk about Brosnan being too old as he hit 50 right after DAD. It also wasn't like Eon hadn't done 3 films with 3 different actors before. Also, wasn't Cubby ailing by the time of pre-production on GE and Barbara and MGW stepping up to take over the day-to-day operations?
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    edited January 8 Posts: 1,509
    Both can be true. Maybe they knew he was going to decline an offer like that.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    All in all, I'd love it if Dalton could do a commentary record of his films. Especially considering the above. Craig would be interesting as well, but rather a couple of years after the new guy has taken over.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited January 8 Posts: 4,402
    I think it’s known that MGM wanted Brosnan (although even then I know executives were worried about his leading man potential too), but it does seem like there were discussions about this at EON, with some seemingly split about whether to keep Dalton. I think the mentality of either a new start or the previous actor continuing as usual was there after the gap. But of course if it’s true Dalton had doubts about returning to Bond (which I don’t think would be a PR story - why would he say the schedule for LTK wasn’t great if it was? I think his answer would be less detailed than that if it was) then that likely would have set off those conversations about a new Bond beforehand. So I don’t think it’s fully made up either. But as is the case with these things there’s probably a lot left out or embellished.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,745
    Funnily enough I think Deke actually has a point. It may well have been a slightly half-hearted offer from Eon hoping he'd turn it down. Maybe both sides understood the situation and knew they were doing something of a dance.
    It worked out for the best that the series was reinvigorated at that point.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Daltonator B-)
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,285
    mtm wrote: »
    Funnily enough I think Deke actually has a point. It may well have been a slightly half-hearted offer from Eon hoping he'd turn it down. Maybe both sides understood the situation and knew they were doing something of a dance.
    It worked out for the best that the series was reinvigorated at that point.

    Kind of to allow him to leave with dignity. Makes sense.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,745
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Funnily enough I think Deke actually has a point. It may well have been a slightly half-hearted offer from Eon hoping he'd turn it down. Maybe both sides understood the situation and knew they were doing something of a dance.
    It worked out for the best that the series was reinvigorated at that point.

    Kind of to allow him to leave with dignity. Makes sense.

    Yeah I feel like there was something like that going on there. Would make sense: they are genuine friends apparently.

    Makes you wonder why Brosnan didn't get the same ;)
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,285
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Funnily enough I think Deke actually has a point. It may well have been a slightly half-hearted offer from Eon hoping he'd turn it down. Maybe both sides understood the situation and knew they were doing something of a dance.
    It worked out for the best that the series was reinvigorated at that point.

    Kind of to allow him to leave with dignity. Makes sense.

    Yeah I feel like there was something like that going on there. Would make sense: they are genuine friends apparently.

    Makes you wonder why Brosnan didn't get the same ;)

    Different times, perhaps. Also, Brosnan’s tenure had been more successful, more popular amongst the general public and lasted longer. They could afford to be ruthless. How was the relationship between him and the production?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 8 Posts: 16,745
    I get the impression it was a little more businesslike, but then hey: they all were. Even Roger and Cubby we're often given the impression as being good friends with their backgammon and pasta, and I'm sure they were to some extent, but then they were also pretty ruthless with each other when it came to the negotiations and Cubby is on record as saying some pretty rough things about him. Brosnan tried to start his own rival Bond film series, stealing the Broccoli dollar: it's all big business.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
    Posts: 3,185
    Dalton, obviously - so I'd get to listen to his voice for a couple of hours.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,729
    Dalton for sure.

    01:05:11
    "Now, here we have Bond meeting Saunders in the Prater cafe. Thomas was great to work with. This was actually a set, filmed at Pinewood. Um, take 15, I think, as the coffee was rubbish. John got so annoyed, that the barista was, how do you say? 'Put away'."

    02:10:02
    "In the pool with Carey. I found it difficult to kiss her, that bloody winking fish watching us. Take 16 here. John was so annoyed, that at one stage, he tried to get the crew to cart the fountain up to Rumorosa Pass, set it on fire and throw it off a cliff, but they refused to go back there after claims the area is haunted."
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,244
    Dalton, if only because I feel like I already know way more about the Craig era already than I do about the Dalton films. That and I find Dalton great to listen to.
  • zb007zb007 UK
    Posts: 88
    QBranch wrote: »
    Dalton for sure.

    01:05:11
    "Now, here we have Bond meeting Saunders in the Prater cafe. Thomas was great to work with. This was actually a set, filmed at Pinewood. Um, take 15, I think, as the coffee was rubbish. John got so annoyed, that the barista was, how do you say? 'Put away'."

    02:10:02
    "In the pool with Carey. I found it difficult to kiss her, that bloody winking fish watching us. Take 16 here. John was so annoyed, that at one stage, he tried to get the crew to cart the fountain up to Rumorosa Pass, set it on fire and throw it off a cliff, but they refused to go back there after claims the area is haunted."

    I read those in his voice :))
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 4,402
    zb007 wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Dalton for sure.

    01:05:11
    "Now, here we have Bond meeting Saunders in the Prater cafe. Thomas was great to work with. This was actually a set, filmed at Pinewood. Um, take 15, I think, as the coffee was rubbish. John got so annoyed, that the barista was, how do you say? 'Put away'."

    02:10:02
    "In the pool with Carey. I found it difficult to kiss her, that bloody winking fish watching us. Take 16 here. John was so annoyed, that at one stage, he tried to get the crew to cart the fountain up to Rumorosa Pass, set it on fire and throw it off a cliff, but they refused to go back there after claims the area is haunted."

    I read those in his voice :))

    That first one I read with his Northern accent slipping a bit! 'That coffee was nassssty'.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,536
    Great stuff as always! I think the Dalton commentary has more of a chance to have new insights so I would rather get Dalton commentaries.

    Since it's Friday and I am feeling Italian and musical lets do this one for fun:

    Would you rather hit the dance floor with Domino OR Fiona?

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    Elegant and so beautiful, Domino enjoys a slow dance at the formal event she attends with Bond. Warning she might just melt into your arms if you show her some tenderness and care.

    OR

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    A touch of evil intentions here. Fiona is comfortable dancing at gunpoint. She shows her looser side by dancing at a bar. She enjoys a good beat. Careful she may just collapse in your arms if you are careful.

    So who is your dance partner?

    Side note is TB the only film that our man dances not once but twice?
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,367
    Oh now that's an evil question!

    I want both!



    can I have both?


    I will have both!


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