Would you rather receive a tarot reading from Solitaire OR a cello performance from Kara Milovy?

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited November 24 Posts: 13,842
    Big stunt action.

    With a smaller, but stellar stunt earlier on as tease. That impresses, but as the PTS continues the audience wonders what's up and is something else on the way.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Large action piece.

    CR was the only film in which a grounded PTS worked to a tee
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Big action with stunts. Something in the vein of TLD & GE and bigger...even give Bond the same black military outfit. Parachutes and all that.
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    Depends on what they do. CR has a great PTS but no big stunt. Same for GF.

    I’m going to be slightly contrarian though and say if it’s a PTS without Bond I’d like a big stunt. That’d be kinda unique. But it all depends on how it’s done.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Depends on what they do. CR has a great PTS but no big stunt. Same for GF.

    I’m going to be slightly contrarian though and say if it’s a PTS without Bond I’d like a big stunt. That’d be kinda unique. But it all depends on how it’s done.

    This is also my idea. I'd even be in for one setting up the villan(s) rather than Bond, such as in FRWL, LALD, TMWTGG. Although when done right, I'm in for all of the choices.
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    I'd rather have a grounded, sober PTS. Especially to introduce a new Bond. Build atmosphere and character, create suspense. Action should follow a crescendo, leave big action sequences to the climax of the film.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Grounded. Viv Michel waiting to close up the motel for the winter. Sluggsy and Horror. The buzzer goes. Bond steps out of the rain and the night. Game on.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Love that one @Venutius I can see that working as a PTS for sure.
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Grounded. Viv Michel waiting to close up the motel for the winter. Sluggsy and Horror. The buzzer goes. Bond steps out of the rain and the night. Game on.

    Sounds great. I suggest you work on it and write something in the Bond 26 plot ideas thread.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited November 25 Posts: 7,155
    Love it @Venutius!
    Straight out of the book! Would you keep it unrelated to the main plot perhaps?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited November 27 Posts: 5,446
    Good stuff and a lively discussion about the PTS. It has become an important part of the films and can set the tone for what is to come.

    Lets move on to another subject entirely.

    It's a battle of the un-official Bonds!

    Would you rather watch CR 67 OR NSNA?

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    CR 67 has some absolutely crazy plotting. It does feature David Niven as Sir James Bond which, according to legend, was someone that Fleming envisioned playing Bond. We have Ursula Andress returning to a Bond movie as Vesper. We have the comic genius of Peter Sellers and Woody Allen in the same film. There is a wonderful score by Burt Bacharach too!

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    On the other hand we have the original Bond returning after over 10 years being away from the role. We have a wonderful Felix Leiter portrayed by Bernie Casey who has chemistry with Connery. The plot is the same although they did tinker with some of it. We have a femme fatale that brings some energy and over the top acting to the piece.

    Both films are flawed and lack the EON touches, but which one would you rather watch
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    NSNA… it’s got Connery; despite the film’s shortcomings he seems engaged and looks great.
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    NSNA. I know that CR 67 isn’t meant to be taken seriously, but I really just don’t enjoy much of it. NSNA, while second-worst for me, has at least a few cool things about it.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    If it's listening to the score, it's CR 67...if it's watching the film, it's NSNA. Although, NSNA also have some music I love.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    It depends on what I'm in the mood for.

    NSNA is clearly meant to be a Bond film, and even though it lacks the recognisable EON tropes, there are quite a few good Bond moments in it. So if I'd be in for a Bond movie, I'd choose NSNA.

    CR67 is the first true Bond spoof, but instead of a protagonist going by the name of Austin Powers, Johnny English or the even better Hubert Bonisseur de la Bath, it just happens to have the legal rights to call him James Bond. If I'm in the mood for that kind of thing, which does happen sometimes, I'd go for CR67.

    To be perfectly honest however, and even though I'm definitely in the camp that can enjoy both, if I'm in the mood for a Bond film most EON's are obviously still a better choice, and if I'm in the mood for a Bond spoof the delicious OSS 117 films with Jean Dujardin are my first options.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    CR67 is only watchable if you're either on drugs or utterly drunk. It's such a mess of a film, and I never thought it to be funny in any kind of way.
    So, since I don't drink anymore, NSNA it is. Which, even though it isn't EON, it does have an interesting villain, and some other redeeming factors. i even like Rowan Atkinson in it.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited November 27 Posts: 14,617
    CR67 - The first viewing experience was like waking from a typical dream, where nothing makes sense and jumps from one random scene to another. For a moment, you contemplate on what just happened, then get on with the day. And just like a dream, it's forgotten swiftly.

    The second viewing experience was like
    QBranch wrote: »
    waking from a typical dream, where nothing makes sense and jumps from one random scene to another. For a moment, you contemplate on what just happened, then get on with the day. And just like a dream, it's forgotten swiftly.
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    NSNA is a nice Sunday lunch matinee. The only Bond film I ever taped off the telly on VHS back in 1998, the lead up to the ads was signalled by the film's 5-note song motif and showed an image of Connery followed by two or three bullet holes in the title.
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    NSNA obviously.

    I like Casino Royale but I think they should have given David Niven more room.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    NSNA obviously.

    I like Casino Royale but I think they should have given David Niven more room.

    For sure. I consider myself a David Niven fan and I would have been up for Niv being cast as an elderly Bond in a proper film. He's definitely one of the elements that make CR67 worth at least one watch.
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    NSNA, but I do enjoy the utter madness of CR67 and it has a superior score, a great theme, compared to NSNA.
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    ColonelSun wrote: »
    NSNA, but I do enjoy the utter madness of CR67 and it has a superior score, a great theme, compared to NSNA.

    +1
  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
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    NSNA!
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    I guess NSNA as I haven't seen it in years as I sold the Blu-ray for close to $60 years ago. Couldn't pass that up. But for some reason I have a soft spot for CR '67, maybe for just the crazy psychedelic Summer of Love last grasp of Bondmania feel associated with it.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Definitely CR67.
    NSNA, while not without its merits, is a burden for me to sit through. CR67 is crazy, but at least it looks good and sounds great.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    NSNA for sure.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    @thedove, you keep asking and I keep answering .....

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    :x :D

    In all seriousness, my later mother was a big fan of Sean Connery, so (for a time), I nearly wore out my VHS tape of NSNA, since she would always want to watch it. And truth be told, Connery is in fine form here and I like it more than DAF on most days. The fact that NSNA is missing the standard EON elements only bothers me on occasion.

    Still, CR'67 is such a snapshot of the waning days of Bondmania that it makes for an interesting watch - and I saw it on TV before I became immersed in proper Bond fandom. While the jokes are very hit or miss, the set design and score scream the mod days of the 1960s and the opening "Les Beatles" shot always makes me smile.

    Plus, did I mention that this little lady is in CR'67?
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    :x :x
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Definitely CR67.
    NSNA, while not without its merits, is a burden for me to sit through. CR67 is crazy, but at least it looks good and sounds great.

    Yeah, agreed. For me NSNA is dull despite its virtues, and CR ‘67 is interesting despite its faults.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    I guess NSNA as I haven't seen it in years as I sold the Blu-ray for close to $60 years ago. Couldn't pass that up. But for some reason I have a soft spot for CR '67, maybe for just the crazy psychedelic Summer of Love last grasp of Bondmania feel associated with it.

    Wow, 60 bucks for the Blu-ray...I might even sell mine for that, considering I'd be able to buy a replacement (used) for it for around 14 euros on Amazon Marketplace. Still too much to spend on a used BD, I must admit.

    I like NSNA. And it takes unusual circumstances and a special mood for me to wish to revisit CR67, and certainly not the desire to see a "Bond film". So NSNA it is here.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    NSNA obviously.

    I like Casino Royale but I think they should have given David Niven more room.

    For sure. I consider myself a David Niven fan and I would have been up for Niv being cast as an elderly Bond in a proper film. He's definitely one of the elements that make CR67 worth at least one watch.

    I think for CR'67 Feldman was just throwing money at people and promising only a few days work, which is how he got Niven, Kerr, etc. They weren't really planning out a narrative.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    NSNA all day long.

    In some ways it's disappointing a rogue Bond film, even if it would be a re-re-make of TB, is no longer possible. No more Bond vs. Bond dustups at the box office.

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