"You missed Mister Bond!"..."Did I?"...The Missed Opportunities of Never Say Never Again

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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Great discussion as always. Now that we've tackled the official films, time to move to the un-official films.

    This one might be like shooting fish in a barrel, but lets see what you think.

    Charles Feldman ended up with the rights for CR and shopped around the project. At one point he looked to make a serious Bond movie and even courted Sean Connery to star. Feldman balked at the $1,000,000 fee and took a different tack.

    Feldman decided to make a James Bond spoof. He cast some notable names including Peter Sellers for the $1,000,000 that Sean would have taken. We have David Niven, Woody Allen and Orson Welles rounding out the male leads. We have a young Jacqueline Bisset and Ursula Andress returns to a Bond film. The movie was directed by a number of directors, which made for a confusing narrative. Strong soundtrack with The Look Of Love being a stand out.

    But what were the missed opportunities of this film? Was a spoof a good way to go? Or should they have stuck with a more serious adaptation of the film? Did they cast the movie wisely?

    What are the missed opportunities of Casino Royale '67

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    Please keep in mind this isn't a critique of the film per se, but rather a creative direction that wasn't followed through on, a mis-cast actor, a plot line that wasn't fully explored.


  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Making a spoof of a Bond film might've been a good way to go, because for the most part it isn't really. Then weirdly it adapts the book partially, which is an odd choice because it's a pretty atypical Bond story, so not really a good basis for a spoof of the Bond movies.
  • edited April 19 Posts: 4,139
    I think the thing about CR '67 is that it wasn't necessarily meant to be a straightforward spoof in the way that even Austin Powers is. It's less a piss take of the tropes of the Bond movies and more a subversion of the idea of James Bond as a character, albeit through the guise of a wacky 1960s comedy. That's actually a pretty cool basis for a film. It's just so disjointed it never comes together.

    I think there were opportunities to iron out Niven's Bond. The idea of SMERSH trying to ruin his celibate image is a bit random, but if it were a case where his Bond had once been a womaniser and he were purposely trying to refrain from sex/be more virtuous, that could have been quite funny.

    Taking it further they could have had a story about an older James Bond who was looking to redeem himself for his previous actions as a heavy drinking, lady chasing killer. It could have been about Niven's Bond trying live up to a higher ideal of heroism that he doesn't feel the fictionalised version of himself embodies. Just adds a bit more depth to the character even with it being a comedy. I don't think the Peter Sellers Evelyn Tremble character was needed and they could have just run with Terrence Cooper's Bond in his place (it's a bit of a weird casting choice anyway - Sellers usually played wacky characters, and yet here the idea is he's meant to be the 'straight man'. That and the guy was a nightmare at this point to work with. Wonderful comic actor, but truly a disgusting human being from what I've read).

    I'm sure there's more examples but it's not a film I've watched recently. Just a bit more ironing out of the script would have helped ultimately I think.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I agree with you @007HallY Peter was a comedic genius but from all the recollections of this film he sounds like a complete arse. Most likely didn't have a positive effect on the film.

    I think the missed opportunity was to find one single director and let them do their work. From what I can tell Houston looked at this as a lark. I have seen interviews with Guest and he seemed to know more about the book. McCrath was there due to the relationship with Sellers but I think was over his head. Ken Hughes is an interesting one, as he had a relationship to Broccoli and went on to direct "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" for EON.

    Having one director likely would have provided a more even tone to the film.
  • edited April 20 Posts: 1,340
    The movie needs a proper ending and less Mata Bond and more David Niven

    The first half is fine IMO.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited April 20 Posts: 6,298
    Less Mata Bond? Surely you jest.

    And the Scottish section is the worst. I don't know what Deborah Kerr is doing. I don't think she did, either.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    The air was full of excitement, Sean Connery was back as Bond after leaving the role in 1971. Two Bond pictures in one year and both due out in the summer of 1983. Soon delays and may be a sense that going head to head was not a great idea pushed Sean's return to the role to the fall.

    Kevin McClory was finally able to do his remake of Thunderball. This film was in the works for years. Unable to use any of the EON team or the James Bond theme, McClory relied on his own creative team to bring the film to the big screen. Underwater action was lessened over the original. Domino would be blonde, gone was Fiona Volpe and introduced was Fatima Blush. The basic plot was the same. Largo and Blofeld were both in this version. Blofeld had hair! LOL!

    Some love this return, others loathe it. No matter where you sit I am sure you can share your missed opportunities within this film.

    A missed opportunity might be the music, the casting choices, the story and plotlines and places they teased at going but never really did.

    What are the missed opportunities of Never Say Never Again?
  • edited April 26 Posts: 1,340
    Better soundtrack and a better toupee (Connery looked better in Cuba)

    I don't know why they didn't hire Jerry Goldsmith.

    The climax needs more music to make it flow better.

    But the movie is fine.
  • The film’s existence.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Could they have leaned into the title a bit more and have Bond pulled out of retirement or something? Although the film has issues it's hard to think of opportunities they missed with it.
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    I find Max Von Sydow strangely underwhelming as Blofeld, which is surprising, given how brilliantly sinister and charismatic he is as Ming in Flash Gordon, just a few years earlier.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 26 Posts: 16,383
    He's way too cuddly and chucklesome, yes. Such a weird choice. He doesn't even get to do anything cruel, which is like Blofeld 101.
    He should have shot the cat, that would be a good two fingers to Eon :D
  • Posts: 7,419
    Better score, James Horner was originally lined up to do the music!
    The cast are fine, but I think the action needed a bit more oomph, and it was a mistake to have the final confrontation underwater!
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    James Horner not doing the score is a big one. Apparently Connery said no to him and picked Legrand. No idea why. The score is atrocious.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Legrand is pretty brilliant otherwise though.
  • edited April 27 Posts: 1,340
    I like the Tango and the fact that the score is not some kind of weird Disco music like... you know, other soundtracks.

    But...It cuoud be better.The lack of music hurts some scenes.
  • Posts: 4,139
    mtm wrote: »
    Legrand is pretty brilliant otherwise though.

    Maybe it’s a NSNA effect. On paper you’d think a director like Kershner would give us a more interesting film, or actors like Von Sydow and Fox would put in more memorable performances but something about what they’re working on just doesn’t allow it. Honestly, I think even Connery in that film isn’t quite as electric as some make him out to be, and it’s more his presence in what should be a cheap Bond knock off alone that adds legitimacy just by virtue of him playing the part again.

    That said NSNA does have some good performances within it so perhaps it’s not entirely fair.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Legrand is pretty brilliant otherwise though.

    Maybe it’s a NSNA effect. On paper you’d think a director like Kershner would give us a more interesting film, or actors like Von Sydow and Fox would put in more memorable performances but something about what they’re working on just doesn’t allow it. Honestly, I think even Connery in that film isn’t quite as electric as some make him out to be, and it’s more his presence in what should be a cheap Bond knock off alone that adds legitimacy just by virtue of him playing the part again.

    That said NSNA does have some good performances within it so perhaps it’s not entirely fair.

    Have to say I love Edward Fox in NSNA, I think he's a hoot!
  • Posts: 36
    Fox is very entertaining in NSNA, even if he seems to be playing M as a man with permanent toothache...
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    It could have been worse, with the music for sure. We dodged not getting a dated 80ès feel and instead had a more jazzy score. I am not sure that Legrand was the right fit. We lacked the brassy big sound. It highlights again how much Barry gave the series. Even the other composers of the official series kept the feel of Barry in their scores.

    Another missed opportunity was not fixing a problem of the energy sagging after the female antagonist dies. Say what you will about Fatima Blush, but once she is killed off, the film seems to sag a bit. Same thing happened in the original when Fiona dies.

    I would have liked her demise to be later in the film.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes it’s funny how Fiona and Fatima are the best things in both movies (for me anyway).
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited April 30 Posts: 2,018
    I like the film. If only it were EON-produced with the gunbarrel, title sequence, Bond theme, etc. It's really a picturesque film as well, with a relaxed Sean Connery at the helm.
  • Vinther1991Vinther1991 Denmark
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    I like NSNA too, better than a lot of the EON movies from the same era. But it has issues, it is clearly weaker than the EON films when it comes to sound design, soundtrack, production value and in parts also cinematography. It couldn't have had a gunbarrel or the Bond theme, but a pre-title sequence and a real title sequence would have helped. They should have come up with a stronger way to open the film that could rival the gunbarrel, but I get that is difficult. As a fierce defender of the underwater scenes of Thunderball, I also think NSNA should have done more with that. The saving grace of NSNA is the acting, the characters and for the most part the story.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Love NSNA as it is. Real easy Sunday afternoon viewing. Could do with more free radicals, though.
  • Posts: 1,340
    The 007's looked quite modern at the time.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 30 Posts: 16,383
    This is one of my favourite 007 moments I think

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    There are a lot of fun little moments. I think about Algernon cringing at Bond's old watch and tossing it in the bin. "Oof, Omega?" That's not gonna fly. Well, maybe for a second!"
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Bond in shorts! Never!

    Never say never...
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I can't think- when's he in shorts in it?
    I have nothing against Bond in shorts, incidentally! He pulled it off pretty well in NTTD!
  • Posts: 4,139
    Yes, Bond in shorts isn’t uncommon.

    Bond in dungarees on the other hand… I’ll say never again to that.
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