The theories of Bond films! Why does Bond use Fakesh's secretary as a human shield? TSWLM

thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
edited February 18 in Bond Movies Posts: 5,592
Through-out this wonderful series there have been plot holes, jarring edits, plot points dropped or glossed over. Sometimes these are inconsequential and other times they leave us to wonder...why or how!?!

For example the car in the DAF that pivots on one side, then halfway down the alley it flips to the other wheels. How is that possible? This will not be about some of the contrivances that exist in the scripts as these are sometimes needed to move along a story.

This thread will explore the many theories that we have about these things. Give us your serious theory on how this happened or go tongue and cheek. Lets see if we can explain some of these things that happen to our favourite spy and gentleman agent.

First scenario: Bond meets Blofeld in Japan! They see each other face to face which is a big deal as Bond has yet to meet his nemesis. The next film sees Bond chasing and tracking down Blofeld. It is decided that Bond will become Sir Hilary Bray and wear glasses and change his voice. Bond gains access to Piz Gloria and we grow in anticipation of them meeting again. Finally we get Bond meeting Blofeld and...Blofeld seems to accept Bond as Bray. In fact it appears the only thing that trips up Bond is an erroneous fact about some tombs and churches. Once caught Blofeld says it will take more than cheap glasses to impersonate a member of the College of Arms. So what gives!?

How does Blofeld not recognize Bond after meeting him in Japan just 2 short years ago?

Bonus points if you can offer a theory on how Blofeld dealt with his facial scars!
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  • Posts: 4,606
    Blofeld got his eye fixed prior to OHMSS in order to disguise himself. Prior to that he’d been blind in one eye. When he saw Bond in YOLT he literally didn’t have his full vision….

    Or something… 😉
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    My headcanon is that Blofeld used decoys. This also goes by my usual watch order of YOLT to DAF to OHMSS.

    The "Blofeld" Bond meets in YOLT isn't the real one. He's Largo's replacement. He runs S.P.E.C.T.R.E.'s Japanese operations while the real Blofeld is setting up his Piz Gloria operation.

    After his failure of losing the volcano base, the scarred "Blofeld" is executed by the Charles Gray version who in my headcanon is Henderson turned defector. With Bond on S.P.E.C.T.R.E.'s trail, Henderson faked his death and began his plans of being the next decoy for S.P.E.C.T.R.E.'s Las Vegas operations.

    DAF starts immediately after YOLT and is also the start of operation bedlam. Bond has been on a manhunt for Blofeld and when he thinks he finally found him, he's shocked to see Henderson instead. The events of the movie unfold as normal which leads into OHMSS. This whole time Bond has been meeting decoys and imposters and so he finally meets the true Blofeld in OHMSS.

    Blofeld's operation in OHMSS has been so important that it requires his direct involvement for establishing the clinic and all the patients so it makes sense that he would use doubles to handle his other operations around the world. He wouldn't have much time to worry about Bond chasing his doubles while he's busy setting up his new cover and institute at Piz Gloria.

    With the way the movie unfolds Bond breaks Blofeld's neck permanently paralyzing him which drives him to attempt to murder Bond only to kill Tracy instead. After that Blofeld goes into hiding for many years until he learns about Bond's annual visits to Tracy's grave and uses the last of his resources to kill him in the PTS of FYEO. That attempt ultimately leads to his true demise.


    That's how I perceive things anyway. :P
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Wow, do we need to solve those problems 55 years after movie audiences failed to do so...? Ok, ok, it's fun...
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Wow, do we need to solve those problems 55 years after movie audiences failed to do so...? Ok, ok, it's fun...

    You must be fun at parties! LOL!

    @Murdock I love this idea. Great way to explain away this nagging loose end. I actually like the thought of a villain with minions happening around the globe. Good stuff!
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    thedove wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Wow, do we need to solve those problems 55 years after movie audiences failed to do so...? Ok, ok, it's fun...

    You must be fun at parties! LOL!

    @Murdock I love this idea. Great way to explain away this nagging loose end. I actually like the thought of a villain with minions happening around the globe. Good stuff!

    That's ok, @thedove. I sometimes like to spin yarns about nothing, and sometimes I don't.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Yeah I thought it was explained Bond was wearing a disguise as Sir Hillary.


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  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    What would Superman do these days when there are no longer any phone booths around?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    That conundrum actually dates back to the Christopher Reeve era of course.

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    "I've outfitted an ordinary pair of spectacles with a high frequency output wave that tricks the brain into seeing a different person standing in front of them. A sort of anti-facial recognition. Tried to demonstrate them to the grandkids last Christmas but they said they're not allowed to talk to strangers."
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    QBranch wrote: »
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    "I've outfitted an ordinary pair of spectacles with a high frequency output wave that tricks the brain into seeing a different person standing in front of them. A sort of anti-facial recognition. Tried to demonstrate them to the grandkids last Christmas but they said they're not allowed to talk to strangers."

    Wonderful! :-D Thank you for this great post, @QBranch!
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
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    "I've outfitted an ordinary pair of spectacles with a high frequency output wave that tricks the brain into seeing a different person standing in front of them. A sort of anti-facial recognition. Tried to demonstrate them to the grandkids last Christmas but they said they're not allowed to talk to strangers."

    Wonderful! :-D Thank you for this great post, @QBranch!

    Good one, @QBranch! :))
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited February 17 Posts: 14,836
    Cheers guys, but...I'm Sir Hilary Bray.

    Of course, Telly's scar-less Blofeld had the contact lens version.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited February 17 Posts: 17,053
    QBranch wrote: »
    Cheers guys, but...I'm Sir Hilary Bray.

    Of course, Telly's scar-less Blofeld had the contact lens version.

    Neither of them needed those

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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    mtm wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Cheers guys, but...I'm Sir Hilary Bray.

    Of course, Telly's scar-less Blofeld had the contact lens version.

    Neither of them needed those

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    Forget OHMSS being a Christmas movie. OHMSS is secretly a Superman movie. :P
  • Posts: 1,606
    Bond is a great actor. He changed his voice after all...
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    In all seriousness, this is one of those cases that prove how little continuity matters in the Bonds. OHMSS doesn't lose any sleep over whether or not the film logically follows YOLT.
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    Simple answer is that OHMSS ignores all the events of YOLT and is a stand alone Bond film.
  • edited February 17 Posts: 2,362
    Hunt was so insistent on remaining close to the plot of OHMSS (the book) that when an idea popped up where Bond pulls a Shuriken out of his desk in the scene where he intends to resign from MI6, Hunt refused to film it saying YOLT happens after!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Wow I didn't know that.
  • mtm wrote: »
    Wow I didn't know that.

    Yeah but I always found it odd considering clips from YOLT are shown during the Titles; and M’s comment about Bond tracking Blofeld for two years lines up perfectly with YOLT’s release date.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited February 18 Posts: 744
    How does Blofeld not recognize Bond after meeting him in Japan just 2 short years ago?

    The only rational explanation is that James Bond is actually an interdimensional entity who can hop into different timelines.
  • Posts: 2,123
    The syphilitic infection of his nose spread to his brain.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Simple, because Bond was in disguise,there was a scene in the film where Blofeld crushed the glasses after greeting him 'Merry Christmas, 007' and said something along the likes of a gay genealogist like Bray would never slept with women, Irma caught him in the act prior to that scene.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Simple, because Bond was in disguise,there was a scene in the film where Blofeld crushed the glasses after greeting him 'Merry Christmas, 007' and said something along the likes of a gay genealogist like Bray would never slept with women, Irma caught him in the act prior to that scene.

    It wasn't that he was gay but rather that respectable heralds from the College of Arms don't seduce female patients in clinics. They are much more professional than that.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Simple, because Bond was in disguise,there was a scene in the film where Blofeld crushed the glasses after greeting him 'Merry Christmas, 007' and said something along the likes of a gay genealogist like Bray would never slept with women, Irma caught him in the act prior to that scene.

    It wasn't that he was gay but rather that respectable heralds from the College of Arms don't seduce female patients in clinics. They are much more professional than that.

    Yes, that's it, I've forgotten the line actually, thank you. 🙂
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited February 18 Posts: 18,445
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Simple, because Bond was in disguise,there was a scene in the film where Blofeld crushed the glasses after greeting him 'Merry Christmas, 007' and said something along the likes of a gay genealogist like Bray would never slept with women, Irma caught him in the act prior to that scene.

    It wasn't that he was gay but rather that respectable heralds from the College of Arms don't seduce female patients in clinics. They are much more professional than that.

    Yes, that's it, I've forgotten the line actually, thank you. 🙂

    It's fine. I'm surprised I remember it myself to be honest as I don't rewatch Bond films as often as I should. :)
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    There are some wonderful theories and thoughts around this. Thanks for the lighthearted ones and the others that went for some more serious attempts to give us a theory for why these 2 characters don't recognize each other.

    Lets jump ahead a few films. Might be appropriate because this is the first movie to mention Bond's wife.

    Yes TSWLM a Bond and Beyond adventure! Lots to like within this film and yet...one scene has always puzzled me. Bond meeting Fakesh's secretary in Cairo. They immediately get romantic with each other, which we have seen happen in other films. No the thing that bothers me is as follows:
    • When she sees the gun of Sandor pointing at them she yells NO! Was she on Sandor's side? Is she even Fakesh's secretary? Does she have a sudden change of heart?
    • Bond then seems to move her into the line of fire and she takes the bullet. Bond throws her to the couch and chases after Sandor.

    Why does Bond use the secretary as a human shield OR why does the secretary take a bullet for a man she has just met?

    To help you form a theory, here is the clip from the film. Help to make this scene make sense. Give me your theory for why Faskesh's secretary was willing to die or why Bond was willing to use her as a shield?

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Because he's the most beautiful man she's ever seen of course.
  • edited February 18 Posts: 4,606
    My sense of the scene is Sandor was coercing her at gunpoint to trap Bond/get a shot at him and she presumed she’d be killed too afterwards. I never thought she was directly working with them but likely had that gun on her the entire time, which makes sense as Sandor/Jaws are after Feekesh and would likely use the secretary as a decoy to get rid of Bond. Bond spins her around due to her freaking out. I don’t think he spins her into the gunshot (Sandor likely shot her to quiet her as her shouting would have alerted more people than necessary or she would have given away where he was to Bond) and it was more a movement of instinct, but he reacted quick enough to spot where the sound of the shot came from and get his gun out.

    It’s odd as it’s all a bit out of context/left to interpretation. But I get there’s not much other way they could have done it and explaining would have been a bit hamfisted.
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