EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Interesting time to be a Bond fan. On my 30th anniversary we see a new production duo! Who'd have thought?

    I have little doubt B26 will turn out great - the first film of each era always are. Hopefully they'll add more Fleming touches in there and maybe even mine ideas from the continuation novels and other mediums.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    https://x.com/Borys_Kit/status/1904586348914500035

    Interestingly, Borys Kit adds their deal is only for one film as opposed to an overall.

    Is Amazon effectively signing them to "show us" deal where they have to prove they get it right before there's a longer commitment?

    There are no more longer term commitments. This is the important change to understand. Everything is film to film now. There are no more permanent people.

    Is this speculation, or coming from a source?

    Doesn't seem accurate. I can't think of another major cinematic brand that really does that, at least not at the producing level. Feige @ Marvel, Gunn/Safran @ DC, Kennedy @ LF, etc.

    Creative teams may not get multi-film deals, but top-level producers—I'd assume—would expect more security. And I don't imagine Amazon would want the headache of replacing them each time they want to make something with the Bond property.

    Kennedy is a different situation because the sale of LF had a bunch of uniqueness to it. Let's take Feige for a moment. If "Iron Man" had bombed, would he have had as much power? This kind of role exists because of success.

    We don't need to look too far to see an example. Zack Snyder had all the power in the world until "Batman v Superman" didn't crack a billion. A year later he was fired. If "Superman" (2025) underperforms, Gunn will have the same fate.

    That's essentially what I'm suggesting. Amazon my be dangling a similar long-term prospect to Pascal and Heyman, but contingent on Bond 26's outcome.

    Yep, everything is always a contingency. Colin Trevorrow was well into preproduction for his "Star Wars" until he had a movie bomb and Disney got cold feet.

    I think Carrie Fisher dying was the start of the cursed production of Star Wars 9. Trevorrow seemed to get the job because of his connections and Jurassic World being as big as it was. Kathleen Kennedy and Disney have also mentioned that they rushed SW from 2015-2019. With the TV side getting overexposed and having little success because there's too much. I think Amazon will learn from that.

    Also, Zack Snyder always has had a major backlash against himself. His fans are basically cultists, and his haters will hate everything that he does. At the same time, WB and DC should have realized that he was going to be controversial from the beginning. They wanted something different, but it was so different and really didn't push a lot of the characters forward like it should have. So, both sides are honestly to blame for the DCEU failing.

    https://www.thepopverse.com/movies-batman-ben-affleck-zack-snyder-too-old-justice-league-batman-v-superman

    As for these new producers, I'm happy that David Heyman is on board. I'm mixed about Amy Pascal, as I don't really want a lot of Daniel Craig leftovers calling the shots. But, I'm happy that we truly are moving forward in the future of James Bond!
    QBranch wrote: »
    Interesting time to be a Bond fan. On my 30th anniversary we see a new production duo! Who'd have thought?

    I have little doubt B26 will turn out great - the first film of each era always are. Hopefully they'll add more Fleming touches in there and maybe even mine ideas from the continuation novels and other mediums.

    Happy anniversary to you @QBranch it's actually an early birthday present for me! We truly are lucky to be Bond fans. Great post @Burgess Bond has survived many challenges in our world. He'll be in great hands, creatively. Always have hope with the character. Also, it's Amy Pascal's birthday today. Her new role is quite the birthday present for herself.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Excellent!! These are two amazing producers.
    But do we know if they’re huge Bond fans?

    I don't know if Pascal is a "fan" but she is certainly familiar with the production and distribution side. And as has been stated here, she was the one vehemently against the Blofeld foster brother angle in Spectre. I think she has a good eye for what works and doesn't work, both franchise-wise and audience-wise.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Happy anniversary to you @QBranch it's actually an early birthday present for me! We truly are lucky to be Bond fans. Great post @Burgess Bond has survived many challenges in our world. He'll be in great hands, creatively. Always have hope with the character.
    Thanks mate, it certainly feels like longer. 30 years of Bond goodness, and it feels great that that fandom will continue on. And although I saw both Brosnan and Craig ushered in, this time I'll be able to fully witness the transition into this new era thanks to the net and these forums. Exciting times ahead!
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    People are talking about 2027 being a possibility but what about summer? He have our producers announced in March 2025, June 2027 is 2 years and 3 months from now. That seems perfectly reasonable if Amazon are as feverish to get going as they appear to be. David Heyman produced 8 (EIGHT) Harry Potter films in a little over 10 years, its perfectly doable.
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    If we can survive an actor change, we can also survive a producer change. Will it be different? Yes but changes aren't new to the franchise.


  • edited March 26 Posts: 4,881
    TripAces wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Excellent!! These are two amazing producers.
    But do we know if they’re huge Bond fans?

    I don't know if Pascal is a "fan" but she is certainly familiar with the production and distribution side. And as has been stated here, she was the one vehemently against the Blofeld foster brother angle in Spectre. I think she has a good eye for what works and doesn't work, both franchise-wise and audience-wise.

    Yeah, I think that’s encouraging experience (from what I’ve read of Pascal I suspect I wouldn’t like her much and even comes off as rather stupid in places - which is likely the case with most people in her position - but she is experienced and has worked on Bond before). I don’t need these producers to be fans to the extent most of us are. Anyway, most people have fond memories of Bond and some sort of minor connection to it. It’s a job for them so they’ll be thinking about the character/where to take these stories and trying to understand these things. That’s all I need, not a lifelong dedicated Bond fan, but professionals committed to doing a job to the best of their ability (as EON were even with the lifelong connection).
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    I guess it is time to start a new thread "Bond 26 production" (or in that vein), with a timeline of important developments fixed to page 1. Anyone?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Excellent!! These are two amazing producers.
    But do we know if they’re huge Bond fans?

    I don't know if Pascal is a "fan" but she is certainly familiar with the production and distribution side. And as has been stated here, she was the one vehemently against the Blofeld foster brother angle in Spectre. I think she has a good eye for what works and doesn't work, both franchise-wise and audience-wise.

    Yeah, I think that’s encouraging experience (from what I’ve read of Pascal I suspect I wouldn’t like her much and even comes off as rather stupid in places - which is likely the case with most people in her position - but she is experienced and has worked on Bond before). I don’t need these producers to be fans to the extent most of us are. Anyway, most people have fond memories of Bond and some sort of minor connection to it. It’s a job for them so they’ll be thinking about the character/where to take these stories and trying to understand these things. That’s all I need, not a lifelong dedicated Bond fan, but professionals committed to doing a job to the best of their ability (as EON were even with the lifelong connection).

    Yes, I don't know the guy but I'm going to guess Heyman wasn't a massive fan of Barbie all his life, and yet made an extremely successful and popular film about the character.
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    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Excellent!! These are two amazing producers.
    But do we know if they’re huge Bond fans?

    I don't know if Pascal is a "fan" but she is certainly familiar with the production and distribution side. And as has been stated here, she was the one vehemently against the Blofeld foster brother angle in Spectre. I think she has a good eye for what works and doesn't work, both franchise-wise and audience-wise.

    Yeah, I think that’s encouraging experience (from what I’ve read of Pascal I suspect I wouldn’t like her much and even comes off as rather stupid in places - which is likely the case with most people in her position - but she is experienced and has worked on Bond before). I don’t need these producers to be fans to the extent most of us are. Anyway, most people have fond memories of Bond and some sort of minor connection to it. It’s a job for them so they’ll be thinking about the character/where to take these stories and trying to understand these things. That’s all I need, not a lifelong dedicated Bond fan, but professionals committed to doing a job to the best of their ability (as EON were even with the lifelong connection).

    Yes, I don't know the guy but I'm going to guess Heyman wasn't a massive fan of Barbie all his life, and yet made an extremely successful and popular film about the character.

    A film I absolutely loath, haha. But at any rate I suspect he has more of a prior connection to Bond than Barbie!
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If Cuaron is involved with Heyman (speculation) could John Williams finally complete his dream of doing a Bond score?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Excellent!! These are two amazing producers.
    But do we know if they’re huge Bond fans?

    I don't know if Pascal is a "fan" but she is certainly familiar with the production and distribution side. And as has been stated here, she was the one vehemently against the Blofeld foster brother angle in Spectre. I think she has a good eye for what works and doesn't work, both franchise-wise and audience-wise.

    Yeah, I think that’s encouraging experience (from what I’ve read of Pascal I suspect I wouldn’t like her much and even comes off as rather stupid in places - which is likely the case with most people in her position - but she is experienced and has worked on Bond before). I don’t need these producers to be fans to the extent most of us are. Anyway, most people have fond memories of Bond and some sort of minor connection to it. It’s a job for them so they’ll be thinking about the character/where to take these stories and trying to understand these things. That’s all I need, not a lifelong dedicated Bond fan, but professionals committed to doing a job to the best of their ability (as EON were even with the lifelong connection).

    Yes, I don't know the guy but I'm going to guess Heyman wasn't a massive fan of Barbie all his life, and yet made an extremely successful and popular film about the character.

    A film I absolutely loath, haha. But at any rate I suspect he has more of a prior connection to Bond than Barbie!

    Yeah it didn't click with me either, but it was so successful critically and financially that I can't knock it as being a bad bit of work. Just not for me! :)
  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
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    If Cuaron is involved with Heyman (speculation) could John Williams finally complete his dream of doing a Bond score?

    That would be a dream come true, wouldn't it, John WIlliams...
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Wasn't one of the reasons that Sony fired Pascal supposedly because she allegedly made racist remarks about President Obama? If so, I'm guessing that Sope's out of the running...
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I have to say, I'm optimistic about what these two will bring to Bond’s next chapter. The only thing I'd stress is quality over speed. While some have noted that this could mean a "full speed ahead" approach now that Amazon have creative control, I hope they still put in the time to make sure this next entry into the franchise is as good as it should be.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    I have to say, I'm optimistic about what these two will bring to Bond’s next chapter. The only thing I'd stress is quality over speed. While some have noted that this could mean a "full speed ahead" approach now that Amazon have creative control, I hope they still put in the time to make sure this next entry into the franchise is as good as it should be.

    Like Calvin Dyson says, this might not just be a return to form, but take Bond "to the next level", especially in North America. I think Bond 26 could be one of those films which in years to come a generation will call their introduction to the franchise, similar to Goldeneye.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    People are talking about 2027 being a possibility but what about summer? He have our producers announced in March 2025, June 2027 is 2 years and 3 months from now. That seems perfectly reasonable if Amazon are as feverish to get going as they appear to be. David Heyman produced 8 (EIGHT) Harry Potter films in a little over 10 years, its perfectly doable.

    Bond has had a pretty successful streak with Fall releases, I would assume Amazon will stick to that. Bond hasn’t tried doing Summer since LTK, and we know how that turned out.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    If Cuaron is involved with Heyman (speculation) could John Williams finally complete his dream of doing a Bond score?

    That would be a dream come true, wouldn't it, John WIlliams...

    I was unaware that Williams said that. Interesting.
  • ShakenNotStirredShakenNotStirred San Monique
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    Pretty sure John Williams is retired now, afterall he is 93!
    News sure is coming in fast now though. I'm still not aboard the hype train yet, but more optimistic with the chosen producers. All we can do is hope.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Wasn't one of the reasons that Sony fired Pascal supposedly because she allegedly made racist remarks about President Obama? If so, I'm guessing that Sope's out of the running...

    I thought she was the one who suggested Idris Elba to take over?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Wasn't one of the reasons that Sony fired Pascal supposedly because she allegedly made racist remarks about President Obama? If so, I'm guessing that Sope's out of the running...

    I thought she was the one who suggested Idris Elba to take over?

    The Daily Mail had another one of their hysterical outrage sessions and reported on the news about Pascal and Heyman by saying there were fears that Bond would go WOKE because he made Barbie and she made Ghostbusters 2016. In the article they also mentioned her getting the sack over the racist emails, which seems an odd definition of woke to me.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    Well both of those are pretty bad. But she did suggest Idris should be Bond and suggested a list of films Obama would like that are predominately black. I don't have a problem with the latter. My guess is she was having some fun in both cases.

    But Bond isn't black. Neither is he Asian. Or Ginger.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    mtm wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Wasn't one of the reasons that Sony fired Pascal supposedly because she allegedly made racist remarks about President Obama? If so, I'm guessing that Sope's out of the running...

    I thought she was the one who suggested Idris Elba to take over?

    The Daily Mail had another one of their hysterical outrage sessions and reported on the news about Pascal and Heyman by saying there were fears that Bond would go WOKE because he made Barbie and she made Ghostbusters 2016. In the article they also mentioned her getting the sack over the racist emails, which seems an odd definition of woke to me.

    But was it her who suggested Elba for the role when Sony was hacked back in 2014?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 26 Posts: 17,506
    mtm wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Wasn't one of the reasons that Sony fired Pascal supposedly because she allegedly made racist remarks about President Obama? If so, I'm guessing that Sope's out of the running...

    I thought she was the one who suggested Idris Elba to take over?

    The Daily Mail had another one of their hysterical outrage sessions and reported on the news about Pascal and Heyman by saying there were fears that Bond would go WOKE because he made Barbie and she made Ghostbusters 2016. In the article they also mentioned her getting the sack over the racist emails, which seems an odd definition of woke to me.

    But was it her who suggested Elba for the role when Sony was hacked back in 2014?

    I don't know, I've never read any of those leaks. Seems a slightly odd thing to suggest while they were making a Daniel Craig film so I'd be curious to know the context, but regardless I don't disagree with the sentiment. I think he would have been really quite good as Bond and was well-suited to it, but it's water under the bridge now.

    One thing I didn't realise is that B26 won't be Pascal and Heyman's first movie together; they're currently producing Jay Kelly starring Adam Sandler and George Clooney, another project of Heyman's directed and written by Noah Baumbach.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers
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    I am always amazed at how negative people can be. I realize people don't like change but the films made by EON overall were not all home runs. The Saltzman/Broccoli film era is my touchstone so I'm wide open after the Craig/Broccoli/Wilson era is now behind us. I can't help but feel that the fans complaining the most are one's that grew up on the final Brosnan and Craig films.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    delfloria wrote: »
    I am always amazed at how negative people can be. I realize people don't like change but the films made by EON overall were not all home runs. The Saltzman/Broccoli film era is my touchstone so I'm wide open after the Craig/Broccoli/Wilson era is now behind us. I can't help but feel that the fans complaining the most are one's that grew up on the final Brosnan and Craig films.

    I agree 100%. Even the Felix Leiter book announcement today got some unfair criticism. Both for Benson writing again, and another spinoff book. I’m happy that Wilson/Broccoli/Craig can be put behind us as well. Sometimes, change can lead to new things and lessons. We’ve actually been pretty lucky so far this week, with Bond news. We can truly be grateful again, after a drought of no news.
  • edited March 27 Posts: 2,452
    delfloria wrote: »
    I am always amazed at how negative people can be. I realize people don't like change but the films made by EON overall were not all home runs. The Saltzman/Broccoli film era is my touchstone so I'm wide open after the Craig/Broccoli/Wilson era is now behind us. I can't help but feel that the fans complaining the most are one's that grew up on the final Brosnan and Craig films.

    I don’t think it’s that at all. It’s the possibility of the brand being diluted by Amazon. It took under 5 years for Star Wars and Marvel to go from two of cinema’s most successful IP’s to a series of streaming shows that are churned out every year or two. Marvel might still have theatrical releases but I’d argue the streaming shows have over saturated the brand and have made following along with the current films damn near impossible unless you’ve watched every single piece of Marvel media. That model has arguably diluted those two brands - the fact that Amazon is keen on spin-offs to begin with should be worrying given what we know about them as a company/streamer and the streaming model to begin with.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited March 27 Posts: 8,432
    delfloria wrote: »
    I am always amazed at how negative people can be. I realize people don't like change but the films made by EON overall were not all home runs. The Saltzman/Broccoli film era is my touchstone so I'm wide open after the Craig/Broccoli/Wilson era is now behind us. I can't help but feel that the fans complaining the most are one's that grew up on the final Brosnan and Craig films.

    I don’t think it’s that at all. It’s the possibility of the brand being diluted by Amazon. It took under 5 years for Star Wars and Marvel to go from two of cinema’s most successful IP’s to a series of streaming shows that are churned out every year or two. Marvel might still have theatrical releases but I’d argue the streaming shows have over saturated the brand and have made following along with the current films damn near impossible unless you’ve watched every single piece of Marvel media. That model has arguably diluted those two brands - the fact that Amazon is keen on spin-offs to begin with should be worrying given what we know about them as a company/streamer and the streaming model to begin with.

    Yes, it’s more about the fear of how badly the franchise can get exploited by a committee, rather than a sense of loyalty to a family. In the context of what happened with Star Wars, Marvel, Tolkien, it’s understandable to be skeptical of what a big company like Amazon could do.

    I grew up under the Michael/Barbara years, but I never thought of their run as being perfect. I rank three of their films at the very bottom.
  • edited March 27 Posts: 1,935
    delfloria wrote: »
    I am always amazed at how negative people can be. I realize people don't like change but the films made by EON overall were not all home runs. The Saltzman/Broccoli film era is my touchstone so I'm wide open after the Craig/Broccoli/Wilson era is now behind us. I can't help but feel that the fans complaining the most are one's that grew up on the final Brosnan and Craig films.

    I don’t think it’s that at all. It’s the possibility of the brand being diluted by Amazon. It took under 5 years for Star Wars and Marvel to go from two of cinema’s most successful IP’s to a series of streaming shows that are churned out every year or two. Marvel might still have theatrical releases but I’d argue the streaming shows have over saturated the brand and have made following along with the current films damn near impossible unless you’ve watched every single piece of Marvel media. That model has arguably diluted those two brands - the fact that Amazon is keen on spin-offs to begin with should be worrying given what we know about them as a company/streamer and the streaming model to begin with.

    I think you can put that under "FEAR of change". Complain if it happens but not now. Enjoy the ride because you never know what might happen. Especially when there is NOTHING one can do to change the situation. Couldn't be much worse than having a 007 reality series. THAT is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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