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EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • BMB007BMB007
    edited April 8 Posts: 632
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Please no David Arnold. His scores are tired and played out. If it is Cuaron (and it is looking increasingly likely), then I hope he brings a new team. In fact he recently worked with Finneas on his show Disclaimer, who scored the entire series. I wouldn't mind if he got Finneas to do the film - he also has a connection to Bond for the purists....



    Finneas scoring the film would be fun. It wasn't in the film, but him and Billie Eilish did a song for a tie-in soundtrack for "Roma".
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    If Purvis and Wade were the sole writers of Bond for the past 25 years I could understand the sentiment, but they never have been. There have always been other writers that came in and did their rewrites. According to them, QOS doesn’t even have their work despite the screen credit. I think Eon always fell back to them because they were knowledgeable of Fleming and that’s it. They’d lay the groundwork for others to step in and do their rewrites.

    Not comparable to David Arnold.

    Yes and no to your comparisons. Even though they aren't to blame for their screenplays (in particular QOS, their ideas were generally good, usually), I'm just hopeful for some fresh writing blood. Amazon might go rogue with Bond in some ways, Purvis and Wade shouldn't be one of the reasons. Those two coming back at this point is like having John Gardner writing all of the books of Raymond Benson. He was tried, and it showed creatively, even his own son said. (Source: Keeping 007 Alive by Mark Edlitz). Let's move forward, in more department heads than one.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Please no David Arnold. His scores are tired and played out. If it is Cuaron (and it is looking increasingly likely), then I hope he brings a new team. In fact he recently worked with Finneas on his show Disclaimer, who scored the entire series. I wouldn't mind if he got Finneas to do the film - he also has a connection to Bond for the purists....



    I don't think repeating something on this board makes it increasingly likely. It might be Cuaron; it might not. That article was poorly written.

    I felt the same way about ATJ.
  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    If Purvis and Wade were the sole writers of Bond for the past 25 years I could understand the sentiment, but they never have been.
    With that excuse you could keep bringing them back until they retire, because whatever happens they are not the sole guilty party for the script.

    I personally don't understand how you can expect a fresh Bond movie bringing those two back.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited April 8 Posts: 8,510
    FrankXavier wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    If Purvis and Wade were the sole writers of Bond for the past 25 years I could understand the sentiment, but they never have been.
    With that excuse you could keep bringing them back until they retire, because whatever happens they are not the sole guilty party for the script.

    I personally don't understand how you can expect a fresh Bond movie bringing those two back.

    Because new writers are always brought in right after them anyway. The final result barely even resembles their original drafts. I’m not advocating that they should stay, I’m just not convinced that them staying on would be a detriment given how they never have a final say on these scripts.

    That’s completely different to something like David Arnold composing a score by himself.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah I’m not sure it makes sense to say we must have a fresh feeling movie with new writers but the old composer should come back. Either it feels fresh or it doesn’t.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I'm one of those heretics that believes CR should have gotten a new composer, just as they had gotten a new second unit director instead of retaining Vic Armstrong.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Something bond fans need to keep in mind - Even if Cuaron is announced as director tomorrow, it could still be years until they're ready to start filming. Edgar Wright was revealed to be directing The Running Man back in early 2021, and we still haven't had a trailer released to the public yet, over 4 years later. If someone like Cuaron was going to be involved in rebooting Bond from the ground up, my guess is that's going to take a while to see through.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    So?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I'm one of those heretics that believes CR should have gotten a new composer, just as they had gotten a new second unit director instead of retaining Vic Armstrong.

    Yes I agree; costume designer too for my money.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    So?

    Just something to bear in mind. ;)
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    @Mendes4Lyfe has his finger on the pulse. Yesterday it was Cuaron with a 2027 release, today maybe Cuaron in several years.
    Who knows where we’ll be headed tomorrow
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I’m not sure it makes sense to say we must have a fresh feeling movie with new writers but the old composer should come back. Either it feels fresh or it doesn’t.

    Well, Arnold did totally change the sound between DAD and CR. To think he can't do it again is silly.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 8 Posts: 17,700
    LucknFate wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I’m not sure it makes sense to say we must have a fresh feeling movie with new writers but the old composer should come back. Either it feels fresh or it doesn’t.

    Well, Arnold did totally change the sound between DAD and CR.

    I think that's debatable. He still sounded like Arnold doing Bond to me. Less electro drums and Bond theme maybe, but not really a different sound. P&W probably changed their style more between the Brosnans and the Craigs.
    I'd like another Newman: someone who can put me in the Bond world of richness and class with some depth there, but in a new way.
    I wouldn't be upset if Arnold came back: he's a great guy and, although I think his music is a bit.. thin, he can make the Bond sound where not all others can.
  • Since62Since62
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I think he would take it in a New York minute .

    That would make sense if they were going to remake LALD...cuz...you know...New York...yup...
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I’m not sure it makes sense to say we must have a fresh feeling movie with new writers but the old composer should come back. Either it feels fresh or it doesn’t.

    Well, Arnold did totally change the sound between DAD and CR.

    I think that's debatable. He still sounded like Arnold doing Bond to me. Less electro drums and Bond theme maybe, but not really a different sound. P&W probably changed their style more between the Brosnans and the Craigs.
    I'd like another Newman: someone who can put me in the Bond world of richness and class with some depth there, but in a new way.
    I wouldn't be upset if Arnold came back: he's a great guy and, although I think his music is a bit.. thin, he can make the Bond sound where not all others can.

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  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I’m not sure it makes sense to say we must have a fresh feeling movie with new writers but the old composer should come back. Either it feels fresh or it doesn’t.

    Well, Arnold did totally change the sound between DAD and CR.

    I think that's debatable. He still sounded like Arnold doing Bond to me. Less electro drums and Bond theme maybe, but not really a different sound. P&W probably changed their style more between the Brosnans and the Craigs.
    I'd like another Newman: someone who can put me in the Bond world of richness and class with some depth there, but in a new way.
    I wouldn't be upset if Arnold came back: he's a great guy and, although I think his music is a bit.. thin, he can make the Bond sound where not all others can.

    I'll admit I'm a bit of an idiot musically, but to my ears, they are totally different soundscapes and themes and motifs, and tone is totally different.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It sounded like typical Arnold to me, only with less techno.
  • MalloryMallory
    edited April 8 Posts: 2,238
    If you were to look at the composers the two producers have previously worked with recently (as they’re the only two confirmed appointments so far):

    Heyman:

    - Joby Talbot (Wonka)
    - Mark Ronson and Andrew Wyatt (Barbie)
    - James Newton Howard (Fantastics Beasts x3)
    - Steven Price (Gravity)
    - Alexandre Desplat (Harry Potter)

    Pascal:

    - Trett Reznor and Atticus Ross (Challengers)
    - Michael Giacchino. (Spider Man x3)
    - Daniel Pemberton (Spider Verse x2, Mollys Game)
    - Alexandre Desplat (Little Woman)

    So a decent list to draw from there if they were going to go with a previous collaborator.

    Though I suspect the choice of composer will be director driven.
  • BurgessBurgess
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    I would love for Arnold to return but Desplat is one of my favorite film composers working today. His score to Zero Dark Thirty is a modern classic.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 8 Posts: 17,700
    Thanks, obviously there's no reason for them to only go with someone they've worked with before, but from those I'd be very happy with Pemberton.

    Don't miss out Dario Marianelli from Paddington 2 & 3, too.
    It'll probably be Lorne Balfe. He seems to do everything.
  • MalloryMallory
    edited April 8 Posts: 2,238
    I would also want to throw Brian Tyler into the mix, I really liked his score to the Super Mario movie, and how he made good use of the existing franchise themes whilst incorporating his own new ones.... which is what Bond needs. He's also done plenty of franchise films such as the Fast & Furious films, and a couple of Marvel movies.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    Mallory wrote: »
    If you were to look at the composers the two producers have previously worked with recently (as they’re the only two confirmed appointments so far):

    Heyman:

    - Joby Talbot (Wonka)
    - Mark Ronson and Andrew Wyatt (Barbie)
    - James Newton Howard (Fantastics Beasts x3)
    - Steven Price (Gravity)
    - Alexandre Desplat (Harry Potter)

    Pascal:

    - Trett Reznor and Atticus Ross (Challengers)
    - Michael Giacchino. (Spider Man x3)
    - Daniel Pemberton (Spider Verse x2, Mollys Game)
    - Alexandre Desplat (Little Woman)

    So a decent list to draw from there if they were going to go with a previous collaborator.

    Though I suspect the choice of composer will be director driven.

    I'd be happy with most of those. I guess it depends on what they want from the new score/Bond movie as a whole (a Bond score by Pemberton would be different to one by Desplat, for example).
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited April 8 Posts: 780
    Brian Tyler would be cool as well. No more Thomas Newman please. I've had enough elevator music. And no Hanz Zimmer tm. Arnold is brilliant and understands Bond quite well. All his Bond scores are unique and a pleasure to listen to.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Michael Giacchino would be an excellent choice. Going way back - his score for The Incredibles has plenty of shades of Bond/Barry.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited April 8 Posts: 1,810
    Ryan wrote: »
    Michael Giacchino would be an excellent choice. Going way back - his score for The Incredibles has plenty of shades of Bond/Barry.

    I once edited Incredibles music to the QoS chase. Enjoy.

  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Ryan wrote: »
    Michael Giacchino would be an excellent choice.
    100% agree. I particularly enjoyed the work he did on The Batman. This is just one example...

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    Ryan wrote: »
    Michael Giacchino would be an excellent choice. Going way back - his score for The Incredibles has plenty of shades of Bond/Barry.

    I once edited Incredibles music to the QoS chase. Enjoy.


    It’s set to private.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    Posts: 780
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Ryan wrote: »
    Michael Giacchino would be an excellent choice. Going way back - his score for The Incredibles has plenty of shades of Bond/Barry.

    I once edited Incredibles music to the QoS chase. Enjoy.


    It says its private.
  • delfloriadelfloria
    Posts: 1,971
    Desplat does seem to be the common denominator between the two producers, for what that is worth.
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