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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The stationary piece is the only one that kind of stood out, but even that isn’t exactly note for note but a shortened version. I can buy it as bits and pieces, but it’s exaggerating of Tom Mason to say it’s “woven throughout the entire film”. To me that suggests something like Goldfinger in the score.

    I suspect Arnold was only able to integrate what he could due to timing. Can’t do a full on rendition, just add a piece of music onto this existing cue and there you go.
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Some of those samples seem flimsy. “Woven throughout the entire film”, uh huh…

    I agree about the sample between 1:10–1:25, but everything else is way too obvious to be a coincidence. I do concur that it's used rather sparingly, and I stand corrected.

    @mtm Yeah, you're right—Writing's on the Wall is woven in more than in LTK, GE, TND, and DAD. I just wish it had been quoted a few more times, rather than having a good chunk of the score copy-paste music from Skyfall. (Yes, I know that wasn’t Newman's choice—but still.) I'm not a huge fan of WOTW (especially Smith's singing), but weaving the song into the score is tradition. I can excuse it in TND, as the song was recorded very late in production—and at least Arnold based the score on Surrender.

    Admittedly, I can't see how one would incorporate Madonna's song into the score (though I actually like the song—it just didn’t fit the movie).
  • K2WIK2WI Europe
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    Oscars: Film Academy Establishes Stunt Design Award

    Assuming it does come out in 2027 and turns out well, Bond could have a shot at being the inaugural winner of this one.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    NoTimeToLive wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Some of those samples seem flimsy. “Woven throughout the entire film”, uh huh…

    I agree about the sample between 1:10–1:25, but everything else is way too obvious to be a coincidence. I do concur that it's used rather sparingly, and I stand corrected.

    @mtm Yeah, you're right—Writing's on the Wall is woven in more than in LTK, GE, TND, and DAD. I just wish it had been quoted a few more times, rather than having a good chunk of the score copy-paste music from Skyfall. (Yes, I know that wasn’t Newman's choice—but still.) I'm not a huge fan of WOTW (especially Smith's singing), but weaving the song into the score is tradition. I can excuse it in TND, as the song was recorded very late in production—and at least Arnold based the score on Surrender.

    Admittedly, I can't see how one would incorporate Madonna's song into the score (though I actually like the song—it just didn’t fit the movie).

    I did hear an orchestral version of DAD recently -was there a Royal Philharmonic Bond album?- and I thought it worked surprisingly well, funnily enough.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    It's also been noted the very similar melody of David Arnold's own unused song "No Good About Goodbye". Of course, I hear "Another Way To Die" in the film score.

    Both are variations on the Bond Theme.



    Alternative "Quantum of Solace" theme | Shirley Bassey - "No Good About Goodbye"     (4:16)



    David Arnold - No Good About Goodbye (1:10)
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Has it been more or less confirmed that the melody Arnold used throughout the movie and in No Good About Goodbye was meant for Amy Winehouse's theme?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://www.nationalworld.com/culture/film/next-james-bond-movie-safe-hands-anthony-horowitz-5076460

    Could he write the next film? I think there's a chance now.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.nationalworld.com/culture/film/next-james-bond-movie-safe-hands-anthony-horowitz-5076460

    Could he write the next film? I think there's a chance now.

    Hopefully not.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Remington wrote: »
    Has it been more or less confirmed that the melody Arnold used throughout the movie and in No Good About Goodbye was meant for Amy Winehouse's theme?

    It’s always been my understanding that Winehouse only worked with Mark Ronson when developing the song and it never made it to the finish line. If “No Good About Goodbye” was originally a Winehouse song she and Ronson would have been credited, but that song is the work of David Arnold and Don Black.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Jeff sneider has stated he believes Cuaron "probably" was talking about Bond in his quote from the masterclass the other day.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Remington wrote: »
    Has it been more or less confirmed that the melody Arnold used throughout the movie and in No Good About Goodbye was meant for Amy Winehouse's theme?

    No, Arnold wrote Goodbye after the film based on the motif he’d come up for for the score.
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Jeff sneider has stated he believes Cuaron "probably" was talking about Bond in his quote from the masterclass the other day.

    Did he say why he thinks that?
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    Has it been more or less confirmed that the melody Arnold used throughout the movie and in No Good About Goodbye was meant for Amy Winehouse's theme?

    It’s always been my understanding that Winehouse only worked with Mark Ronson when developing the song and it never made it to the finish line. If “No Good About Goodbye” was originally a Winehouse song she and Ronson would have been credited, but that song is the work of David Arnold and Don Black.

    Arnold and Ronson also worked together on the theme. One of them described it as a "contemporary post 60s piece." They had a rough track but Amy never got around to the lyrics apparently.

    Lowkey the biggest missed opportunity of the series after Dalton not getting a third film.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    mtm wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    Has it been more or less confirmed that the melody Arnold used throughout the movie and in No Good About Goodbye was meant for Amy Winehouse's theme?

    No, Arnold wrote Goodbye after the film based on the motif he’d come up for for the score.
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Jeff sneider has stated he believes Cuaron "probably" was talking about Bond in his quote from the masterclass the other day.

    Did he say why he thinks that?

    Take a look, starts at 48:47 (there's timestamps).

    https://www.youtube.com/live/XJu117Mzd_Y?si=EtFKzJnRYESqCCvv

    "If you can get him, you take him".
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 11 Posts: 17,731
    Remington wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    Has it been more or less confirmed that the melody Arnold used throughout the movie and in No Good About Goodbye was meant for Amy Winehouse's theme?

    It’s always been my understanding that Winehouse only worked with Mark Ronson when developing the song and it never made it to the finish line. If “No Good About Goodbye” was originally a Winehouse song she and Ronson would have been credited, but that song is the work of David Arnold and Don Black.

    Arnold and Ronson also worked together on the theme. One of them described it as a "contemporary post 60s piece." They had a rough track but Amy never got around to the lyrics apparently.

    Lowkey the biggest missed opportunity of the series after Dalton not getting a third film.

    Ronson did submit an effort for No Time To Die. Not a very interesting song to be fair.



    Barbara Broccoli tells a very sad story about meeting with Amy in that Being James Bond doco.

    Arnold is quoted in the Music of James Bond as saying there was no melody or lyric, just a chord pattern and a groove for Amy to write alongside, but she obviously never did.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Because of David Heyman's Harry Potter background, I do wonder if James Bond would return to having encounters with animals like in the old films. Animals like Sharks, Anacondas, Snakes, Alligators, Crocodiles, or maybe the Giant Squid from Fleming's Dr. No. I know Mendes gave the Komodo Dragons a brief scene in Skyfall.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    Because of David Heyman's Harry Potter background, I do wonder if James Bond would return to having encounters with animals like in the old films. Animals like Sharks, Anacondas, Snakes, Alligators, Crocodiles, or maybe the Giant Squid from Fleming's Dr. No. I know Mendes gave the Komodo Dragons a brief scene in Skyfall.
    The animal threat needs to come back for sure. Squid attack can work, but would be more plausible and ominous if Bond encountered it while in a small submersible in the murky depths.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    QBranch wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    Because of David Heyman's Harry Potter background, I do wonder if James Bond would return to having encounters with animals like in the old films. Animals like Sharks, Anacondas, Snakes, Alligators, Crocodiles, or maybe the Giant Squid from Fleming's Dr. No. I know Mendes gave the Komodo Dragons a brief scene in Skyfall.
    The animal threat needs to come back for sure. Squid attack can work, but would be more plausible and ominous if Bond encountered it while in a small submersible in the murky depths.

    Would the squid attack work though? I always thought fans mainly regarded it as one of the more ludicrous moments from the Fleming canon.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    Because of David Heyman's Harry Potter background, I do wonder if James Bond would return to having encounters with animals like in the old films. Animals like Sharks, Anacondas, Snakes, Alligators, Crocodiles, or maybe the Giant Squid from Fleming's Dr. No. I know Mendes gave the Komodo Dragons a brief scene in Skyfall.
    The animal threat needs to come back for sure. Squid attack can work, but would be more plausible and ominous if Bond encountered it while in a small submersible in the murky depths.

    Would the squid attack work though? I always thought fans mainly regarded it as one of the more ludicrous moments from the Fleming canon.
    Yeah it could work, just depends on the execution, i.e. mostly practical effects. I remember seeing footage on YouTube of a giant squid swimming up to an underwater drone and attacking it and spotting one tentacle at a time appear as it approaches, followed by a huge eyeball was eerie. Maybe using some existing footage too.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    China is now going to allow less US movies to show in their cinemas, in retaliation to the tariff standoff. This means that properties without a big audience in China but strong in other markets suddenly become even more valuable to studios, a bit like Goldfingers gold becoming more valuable on the market. Also we are seeing at the boxoffice that their has been a generational shift happen, where newer or untapped IP like Mario, Barbie, Five nights at freddys and Minecraft become juggernauts, whereas old IP Snow White and Indiana Jones crashes and burns. Bond is one of the few franchises which appears to be truly evergreen, that can be endlessly mixed and adapted for a new audience. With Pascal and Heyman in the driving seat, we're in a strong position, and with Amazon knowing the level of scrutiny they will be under I think the launch of Bond 26 could be something truly culturally seismic in the UK, if not the world. If only they could somehow time it to coincide with the Euros happening in "28 in the UK, then it really would go stratospheric.
  • dewiparrydewiparry
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    Safe actors won't shake the world. Maybe a quiet tremble.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    QBranch wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    Because of David Heyman's Harry Potter background, I do wonder if James Bond would return to having encounters with animals like in the old films. Animals like Sharks, Anacondas, Snakes, Alligators, Crocodiles, or maybe the Giant Squid from Fleming's Dr. No. I know Mendes gave the Komodo Dragons a brief scene in Skyfall.
    The animal threat needs to come back for sure. Squid attack can work, but would be more plausible and ominous if Bond encountered it while in a small submersible in the murky depths.

    Yeah. It would take pure genius to pull it off, without it looking too outlandish...but it can be done, if handled properly. But I think it's better Amazon gives Bond 7's era some color, so he's not unfavorably compared to Craig's Bond.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    This article best expresses where I’m at. Well written and meditated. It’s middle of the road, not negative, not positive. Just thoughtful:

    https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/the-day-james-bond-movies-died
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    I suppose if it's a case that the James Bond/the films we know are dead, we'll see how they're reborn after this point. To be honest I suspect many people on these forums alone, rightly or wrongly, would say the Bond they knew at whichever point in the films has died and been changed more than once anyway. But the films kept going, and in the long term we got popular entries, new fans, more iconic Bond actors etc.

    I do agree, without EON it makes Bond's long term future more questionable. I don't doubt there'll be a successful Bond 26 (even if just financially - and let's be honest we're not all going to love it here and fans will always have their own opinions, no matter how much it's shared by the majority of viewers). But without long term individuals/custodians who are invested in the franchise and character, disasters become more likely.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I am tempered excitement and tempered pessimisms and doubt. Once my feelings come out of the wash, they cancel each other out, and I consider myself an agnostic who has some conflicted feelings (hopes and doubts). This article expressed both for me.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    peter wrote: »
    I am tempered excitement and tempered pessimisms and doubt. Once my feelings come out of the wash, they cancel each other out, and I consider myself an agnostic who has some conflicted feelings (hopes and doubts). This article expressed both for me.

    Fair enough, and to be honest I’d say I’m sort of at that stage with the whole thing. Ultimately we’ll see what they produce.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    As someone who has only watched the last three entries once, I'm excited.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    peter wrote: »
    This article best expresses where I’m at. Well written and meditated. It’s middle of the road, not negative, not positive. Just thoughtful:

    https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/the-day-james-bond-movies-died

    This is pretty much how I'm feeling on it too. I want to be more excited about Bond 26, but I just have this bad feeling that it's not going to feel like Bond to me. I hope I'm wrong though

    The article sums up how it felt like a perfect storm that led EON to selling up.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Right now I’m cautiously optimistic. Amazon could have picked any hack producer/filmmaker that was cheap, instead it appears Broccoli at least had a say in not only who gets the gig as producers but even ousted those within Amazon she knew wasn’t up to the task. My worst case scenario would have been if the studio picked someone like Matthew Vaughn. Instead it looks as if Alfonso Cuarón may get the gig instead which is a far more intriguing choice than Christopher Nolan. All the talk about wanting to continue the legacy of Eon makes me think the Broccolis are making sure whoever is appointed will actually carry the spirit. That’s at least encouraging.

    Still, the new producers need to make a strong impression with Bond before they earn my trust in handling Bond’s future.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Right now I’m cautiously optimistic. Amazon could have picked any hack producer/filmmaker that was cheap, instead it appears Broccoli at least had a say in not only who gets the gig as producers but even ousted those within Amazon she knew wasn’t up to the task. My worst case scenario would have been if the studio picked someone like Matthew Vaughn. Instead it looks as if Alfonso Cuarón may get the gig instead which is a far more intriguing choice than Christopher Nolan. All the talk about wanting to continue the legacy of Eon makes me think the Broccolis are making sure whoever is appointed will actually carry the spirit. That’s at least encouraging.

    Still, the new producers need to make a strong impression with Bond before they earn my trust in handling Bond’s future.

    Yes. Well-put.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    It all depends on whether they can convince Cuaron to come on board or not for me. I just think someone like him is perfec for it; More inspired than Nolan or Villeneuve but more proven at making blockbuster entertainment than someone like Chazelle. I think Cuaron is the sweet spot, and when you factor in that he already has success with a beloved British IP, that is great icing on the cake. But until we KNOW he is actually on board then I'm still somewhat catious about the future...
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