EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards

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  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
    Posts: 155
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    It was weird watching the reactions of Calvin Dyson and The Bond Experience, I've never felt so disconnected to them. I normally love watching both, Calvin's reviews in particular, but seeing them both so positive was a bit of surprise me.

    I'm jealous if anything, I wish I could share in their optimism
    I’d be optimistic in YouTube videos if my career was dependent on keeping people watching them. It was the same when NTTD was delayed - YouTubers doing anything to create faux cheery ‘content’ to keep the $$$ rolling in. They’re hardly going to turn around and say “Bond is f****d now, innit?’ and do a mic drop

    I’ve yet to find any Bond YouTuber who I have an ounce of respect for.

  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
    Posts: 246
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Seve wrote: »
    Also explains why NTTD ends as it does... Babs dropping the mic

    I had the same thought when I heard the news.

    Being one of the naysayers regarding NTTD, I'm not doing too much hand-wringing about this sale. People seem worried that Amazon will take the screen Bond in a direction they won't like, well that already happened for me.
    I'm less worried, more interested. And I really couldn't imagine EON carrying on doing 'classic' style pre-Craig adventures. When you look at the long wait between Bonds, and them killing almost everyone off in the last film, this news isn't much of a surprise, is it?


    Put it this way, I was bought up in the Moore years, with a new adventure every couple of years. Now, in 2025, I haven't enjoyed a big screen Bond film for ten years. If Amazon start pumping out regular fun Bond adventures with an eye on the books, to keep them grounded, I'll be quite happy.

    I agree with you, to a point. I have never been a flag waving fan of the Craig era, but.... BUT, I do feel that worse can be done to Bond. It only takes a cursory glance at how characters have been cast/recast in recent years, to see what might be in store for Bond.

    You mean with bad actors? There’s always those around.
    I’m sure you don’t mean anything else.

    Could you bookmark my post, i'd like to see it again in 2 years time. It'd be nice to see if i'm right or wrong.

    Is there a reason you feel you can’t say what you mean explicitly?

    Absolutely not.

    Great: go ahead.
    It's always nice to have old posts that I had forgotten about, being brought up. It's like having my own personal archivist.

    I have a memory, yes, I don't think that's all that weird.

    I think Bond should be straight, white and male.

    Bond IS straight, white and male. Changing that would be changing Bond. If they want to change Bond, they can and will, nonetheless it will be changing Bond, so it won’t be Ian Fleming’s James Bond, and to a degree, it won’t be EON’s James Bond, but Amazon’s James Bond. Let’s just hope they’ll be one and the same. Why would they buy the golden goose just to kill it with experimentations? They’d be mad. But hey, maybe they are. Let’s just hope the person they put up to the task will have a lucid comprehension of what the character is all about. Maybe we’ll get a Fleming fan? Who knows? Too early to tell.

    Solid post. My hopes are up, but Amazon really needs to prove itself as RoP is one of the worst piles of sh*te ever produced. IF and that's a big IF, they decide to do the right thing, going back to the books, the roots of Bond, modernise it ever so slightly we may be in for a treat. They need an uber critical 'showrunner', preferably one of the old stamp, who like Cubby, truly breathes Bond.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,366
    I like David and Calvin ; both are sincere in their love of Bond and while I’m not always in agreement, both present themselves well. Of the two I generally agree more with David.

    At this point most fans are in a state of shock and don’t know how to feel.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,102
    talos7 wrote: »
    I like David and Calvin ; both are sincere in their love of Bond and while I’m not always in agreement, both present themselves well. Of the two I generally agree more with David.

    Yes I think they're both very nice guys and come across as genuine. I see people having a go at David sometimes and it seems very unfair as he seems such a sweet and positive fella.
  • edited 1:32pm Posts: 16,345
    Just saw this.....https://www.geo.tv/latest/591997-florence-pugh-joins-james-bond-spin-off-series.

    If this is accurate, then Amazon have wasted no time. I have to admit I kind of like the sound of this.
  • Posts: 4,628
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Just saw this.....https://www.geo.tv/latest/591997-florence-pugh-joins-james-bond-spin-off-series.

    If this is accurate, than Amazon have wasted no time. I have to admit I kind of like the sound of this.

    Sounds about right.

    I have no interest in this either way and probably won’t watch it so can’t really have an opinion. Oh well. I’m sure some might like it though.
  • Posts: 16,345
    I haven't read The Moneypenny Diaries, so I don't know how good they are. If this is the route Amazon are taking, I wouldn't mind seeing adaptations of BY ROYAL COMMAND, SILVERFIN, etc.
    Young Bond set in the '40s certainly tweaks my interest .
  • edited 1:38pm Posts: 6,755
    If this is true, the only good part is seeing talent like Pugh attached. Of course if this was about her playing that particular role in the upcoming film, I’d be happier.
  • Posts: 4,628
    Personally I just find it hard to care. Even amongst Bond fans this sort of stuff is niche and I’d say fulfilled by the books. Could be brilliant, rubbish or anything in between. But for me it’s not like The Penguin (skeptical as I was about it at first) which had enough of a connection to Reeve’s film which I liked to get me involved. This is just one of many Bond continuation ideas, hypothetical and even detached from the films.

    Whether these sort of continuation shows ultimately get more viewers onboard to watch the films is another question, as well as how much these different audiences intersect. I don’t know how many casual readers of Moneypenny Diaries for instance drift towards Horrowitz’s Bond novels or even Fleming’s.
  • Posts: 6,755
    That is very true. And I too couldn’t care less about this spinoff or any other.
  • edited 1:52pm Posts: 2,364
    I’ve had some time to articulate my thoughts and this matter. This is something that I’ve confided with another fan on this site in a PM; while I hate to be this pessimistic about the current circumstances, I’m afraid this merger might be where my interest and journey with the cinematic character and this series ends. This character has meant so much to me for a majority of my life in all of his different incarnations that I simply can’t watch Amazon milk everything out of this IP before running it into the ground and killing it successfully. It was my hope that Barbara/EON would’ve held on enough for a new Bond film to go into production under them - but I also can’t criticize them if some rumors behind the deal are true. Instead all this does is strengthen my dislike for Amazon (something that wasn’t helped by Ernst Stavro Bezo’s Social Media post following the announcement.) I’m sure I’ll watch these new Bonds at some point; but my hopes aren’t high. At least I have 25 films to look back upon, and I look forward to continuing my journey with Bond through reading the rest of Ian Fleming’s original adventures, and perhaps the recent comic book series from Dynamite.

    I mentioned in my private PM that oddly enough NTTD’s ending feels very poignant now in retrospect; some may be bothered by the final image of James Bond in an EON produced film being him blown to bits; but I honestly find that better than whatever the hell Amazon has in store for him.

    “God Help You Commander.”
  • zb007zb007 UK
    edited 1:55pm Posts: 94
    meshypushy wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    It was weird watching the reactions of Calvin Dyson and The Bond Experience, I've never felt so disconnected to them. I normally love watching both, Calvin's reviews in particular, but seeing them both so positive was a bit of surprise me.

    I'm jealous if anything, I wish I could share in their optimism
    I’d be optimistic in YouTube videos if my career was dependent on keeping people watching them. It was the same when NTTD was delayed - YouTubers doing anything to create faux cheery ‘content’ to keep the $$$ rolling in. They’re hardly going to turn around and say “Bond is f****d now, innit?’ and do a mic drop

    I’ve yet to find any Bond YouTuber who I have an ounce of respect for.

    i found it quite odd like they didn’t want to rock the boat or something
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,456
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Seve wrote: »
    Also explains why NTTD ends as it does... Babs dropping the mic

    I had the same thought when I heard the news.

    Being one of the naysayers regarding NTTD, I'm not doing too much hand-wringing about this sale. People seem worried that Amazon will take the screen Bond in a direction they won't like, well that already happened for me.
    I'm less worried, more interested. And I really couldn't imagine EON carrying on doing 'classic' style pre-Craig adventures. When you look at the long wait between Bonds, and them killing almost everyone off in the last film, this news isn't much of a surprise, is it?


    Put it this way, I was bought up in the Moore years, with a new adventure every couple of years. Now, in 2025, I haven't enjoyed a big screen Bond film for ten years. If Amazon start pumping out regular fun Bond adventures with an eye on the books, to keep them grounded, I'll be quite happy.

    I agree with you, to a point. I have never been a flag waving fan of the Craig era, but.... BUT, I do feel that worse can be done to Bond. It only takes a cursory glance at how characters have been cast/recast in recent years, to see what might be in store for Bond.

    You mean with bad actors? There’s always those around.
    I’m sure you don’t mean anything else.

    Could you bookmark my post, i'd like to see it again in 2 years time. It'd be nice to see if i'm right or wrong.

    Is there a reason you feel you can’t say what you mean explicitly?

    Absolutely not.

    Great: go ahead.
    It's always nice to have old posts that I had forgotten about, being brought up. It's like having my own personal archivist.

    I have a memory, yes, I don't think that's all that weird.

    I think Bond should be straight, white and male.

    Off topic.
  • Posts: 6,755
    I personally find that surrendering to the negativity doom and gloom may be to the prejudice of our beloved subject. I’d say the same about the state of things in the world. Now, more than ever, we need to keep our hopes up and voice our opinions. Surrendering to the bigger forces at play is to be submissive and, as such, an accessary to their doings.

    Resist. Speak out. Rage against the dying of the light. Tell them now what Bond is all about. Write about it. Let’s unite in what unites us as fans.

    Just don’t give in to the dooming nature of it all. Not for anything. Not even for a billion. In a way, Cubby would have liked that. Our resistance. Let’s all give him that, shall we.
  • edited 2:07pm Posts: 4,628
    I’ve had some time to articulate my thoughts and this matter. This is something that I’ve confided with another fan on this site in a PM; while I hate to be this pessimistic about the current circumstances, I’m afraid this merger might be where my interest and journey with the cinematic character and this series ends. This character has meant so much to me for a majority of my life in all of his different incarnations that I simply can’t watch Amazon milk everything out of this IP before running it into the ground and killing it successfully. It was my hope that Barbara/EON would’ve held on enough for a new Bond film to go into production under them - but I also can’t criticize them if some rumors behind the deal are true. Instead all this does is strengthen my dislike for Amazon (something that wasn’t helped by Ernst Stavro Bezo’s Social Media post following the announcement.) I’m sure I’ll watch these new Bonds at some point; but my hopes aren’t high. At least I have 25 films to look back upon, and I look forward to continuing my journey with Bond through reading the rest of Ian Fleming’s original adventures, and perhaps the recent comic book series from Dynamite.

    I mentioned in my private PM that oddly enough NTTD’s ending feels very poignant now in retrospect; some may be bothered by the final image of James Bond in an EON produced film being him blown to bits; but I honestly find that better than whatever the hell Amazon has in store for him.

    “God Help You Commander.”

    That’s a shame mate. For what it’s worth we’re in uncharted territory and it’s not the end at least. I hope you do like whatever this franchise may bring in the short term - films, comics, books - as I hope we all do.
    Univex wrote: »
    That is very true. And I too couldn’t care less about this spinoff or any other.

    I’m not opposed to spin off works necessarily, but they can be hit or miss and of limited interest in the long run. I hope the official films maintain a level of consistency from era to era and do still have that sense they’re a pillar of this franchise.

    My worry is the Bond cinematic property goes down the route IFP do - flitting between different directions/timelines in the official films/the very short term, with often the spin off works better than the official Bond ones, and of varying quality (often quite low unfortunately dependent on who’s helming).
  • edited 2:09pm Posts: 6,755
    007HallY wrote: »
    My worry is the Bond cinematic property goes down the route IFP do - flitting between different directions/timelines in the official films with often the spin off works better than the official Bond ones, and of varying quality (often quite low unfortunately dependent on who’s helming).

    That, I’say, is one of my main concerns. Another being that they just don’t know Bond beyond the clichés, and that we get a cardboard version, soulless, of it. The third is that they want to shake it all up beyond recognition, and use it to propel social, political or any other agendas.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 2:16pm Posts: 17,102
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Just saw this.....https://www.geo.tv/latest/591997-florence-pugh-joins-james-bond-spin-off-series.

    If this is accurate, then Amazon have wasted no time. I have to admit I kind of like the sound of this.

    I mean, she's great, but this sounds extremely made-up. From the same people who brought you 'Taylor-Johnson has already filmed his gunbarrel sequence'.
  • Posts: 6,755
    mtm wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Just saw this.....https://www.geo.tv/latest/591997-florence-pugh-joins-james-bond-spin-off-series.

    If this is accurate, then Amazon have wasted no time. I have to admit I kind of like the sound of this.

    I mean, she's great, but this sounds extremely made-up. From the same people who brought you 'Taylor-Johnson has already filmed his gunbarrel sequence'.

    Really? This is from the same news source? Then I’m sure it’s fake.
  • Posts: 2,364
    007HallY wrote: »
    I’ve had some time to articulate my thoughts and this matter. This is something that I’ve confided with another fan on this site in a PM; while I hate to be this pessimistic about the current circumstances, I’m afraid this merger might be where my interest and journey with the cinematic character and this series ends. This character has meant so much to me for a majority of my life in all of his different incarnations that I simply can’t watch Amazon milk everything out of this IP before running it into the ground and killing it successfully. It was my hope that Barbara/EON would’ve held on enough for a new Bond film to go into production under them - but I also can’t criticize them if some rumors behind the deal are true. Instead all this does is strengthen my dislike for Amazon (something that wasn’t helped by Ernst Stavro Bezo’s Social Media post following the announcement.) I’m sure I’ll watch these new Bonds at some point; but my hopes aren’t high. At least I have 25 films to look back upon, and I look forward to continuing my journey with Bond through reading the rest of Ian Fleming’s original adventures, and perhaps the recent comic book series from Dynamite.

    I mentioned in my private PM that oddly enough NTTD’s ending feels very poignant now in retrospect; some may be bothered by the final image of James Bond in an EON produced film being him blown to bits; but I honestly find that better than whatever the hell Amazon has in store for him.

    “God Help You Commander.”

    That’s a shame mate. For what it’s worth we’re in uncharted territory and it’s not the end at least. I hope you do like whatever this franchise may bring in the short term - films, comics, books - as I hope we all do.

    Thank you, I sure hope we all do as well. If this new Amazon Bond turns out to be good then I’ll eat my own words with joy, but as you say - this is uncharted territory and I’m not feeling too optimistic.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited 2:36pm Posts: 18,454
    mtm wrote: »

    I don't know what to make of the Moneypenny Diaries story. I'd take it with a big pinch of salt as it's The Sun which hasn't the greatest track record when it comes to honest journalism. Plus there's the fact no other news source is running with the story. That's certainly suspicious. But then again it is the sort of thing we'd expect Amazon to do with their newly acquired Bond rights...
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    I dont mind Amazon doing spin off series that are released on Prime. Just as long as the main film series stays theatrical releases and doesn't intertwine much with the spin offs.
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    I think George said something on his instagram.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 3:46pm Posts: 17,102
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I dont mind Amazon doing spin off series that are released on Prime. Just as long as the main film series stays theatrical releases and doesn't intertwine much with the spin offs.

    I could imagine a scenario where the Bond actor might very occasionally pop up in one of these spinoffs in a sort of cameo. In a way it's good for Amazon that they need a new Bond now as it's the sort of thing I doubt you'd have been able to creep into Craig's contract.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,555
    I'm genuinely shocked EON fought this long to hold onto Bond. It was always a losing battle, and I think we all knew it was the end for them the minute MGM went to Amazon.

    I'm not optimistic about the future, but EON have always changed with the times, so maybe, just maybe this will work out.
  • Posts: 2,037
    mtm wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I dont mind Amazon doing spin off series that are released on Prime. Just as long as the main film series stays theatrical releases and doesn't intertwine much with the spin offs.

    I could imagine a scenario where the Bond actor might very occasionally pop up in one of these spinoffs in a sort of spinoff. In a way it's good for Amazon that they need a new Bond now as it's the sort of thing I doubt you'd have been able to creep into Craig's contract.

    If Craig was still Bond no way would he agree to appear in any spin offs. This is great for amazon because the new actor will have to agree to appear in these spin offs if they want to be James Bond. Which is probably they will go with a lesser known actor to play Bond than a well established actor. Amazon wants to be able to control and have as much saying in their Bond as they can.
  • If they appeared in more than one film (and in at least one Fleming novel) or more than one Fleming novel then I could reluctantly accept a spin-off. Anyone else, like Jinx or Trevelyan, shouldn't really become more. They were made for one-off films to play off of Bond. No need to exaggerate their importance
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 3:50pm Posts: 17,102
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I dont mind Amazon doing spin off series that are released on Prime. Just as long as the main film series stays theatrical releases and doesn't intertwine much with the spin offs.

    I could imagine a scenario where the Bond actor might very occasionally pop up in one of these spinoffs in a sort of spinoff. In a way it's good for Amazon that they need a new Bond now as it's the sort of thing I doubt you'd have been able to creep into Craig's contract.

    If Craig was still Bond no way would he agree to appear in any spin offs. This is great for amazon because the new actor will have to agree to appear in these spin offs if they want to be James Bond. Which is probably they will go with a lesser known actor to play Bond than a well established actor. Amazon wants to be able to control and have as much saying in their Bond as they can.

    Yeah I thought it was interesting that as the films went along it seemed like his contract said that he'd appear in the tie-in ad campaign for one sponsor for each film and that's it. Basically Heineken (and he's got a personal deal with Omega).
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